The Brexit Thread

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buka001 said:
Oh and relates to the post above, a picture from a 1983 advert from the Tories. Just for Chris.

Maggie Thatcher was the leader at that time, just in case you may have forgotten.
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Yes, the far left have always been skeptical of the EU. Look up Tony Benn - Corbyn is effectively part of the Bennite wing of the Labour Party (if memory recalls correctly, he entered parliament in 1983 as well). Thatcher evolved her views about the EU - she definitely was euroskeptic by the time she left office. It's true she campaigned in 1975 to enter the SM, but then she realised it was much more than an economic union. She also of course got the infamous unique and prized UK rebate from the EU...
 
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Chris_the_Brit said:
I trust that the estimated 92% of fishermen who voted Leave probably have a better understanding than you or I of the CFP. The bigger dilemma would seem to be gaining market access to EU as the Brits don't seem to enjoy much of the seafood. There is plenty of legitimate criticism of the CFP.
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It doesn't matter one iota if fishermen voted for Brexit or for the next Masterchef winner, you seem a bit dense if you don't understand the fishermen sold their UK issued quotas to other European fishermen , no matter what happens to the EU, it could entirely cease to exist tomorrow and the European fishermen would still own those UK fishing quotas.

They bought them legally under English (or Scottish) law and own them in the UK...
 
Dave said:
It doesn't matter one iota if fishermen voted for Brexit or for the next Masterchef winner, you seem a bit dense if you don't understand the fishermen sold their UK issued quotas to other European fishermen , no matter what happens to the EU, it could entirely cease to exist tomorrow and the European fishermen would still own those UK fishing quotas.

They bought them legally under English (or Scottish) law and own them in the UK...
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Well I will do more research but a quick Google search from the Telegraph, Politico and Financial Times have all stated that the UK fishermen would get a bigger slice of the pie, post-Brexit. I hardly think all three publications would not do their research on this.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Well I will do more research but a quick Google search from the Telegraph, Politico and Financial Times have all stated that the UK fishermen would get a bigger slice of the pie, post-Brexit. I hardly think all three publications would not do their research on this.
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Unless the UK government decide to increase quotas (unlikely, there's been some talk about reducing some quotas due to lower than expected fish stocks) and that is unlikely to happen.

Try and understand, even under the EU policy the UK is already responsible for quotas and permit issuing, other EU countries restricted their permits to home flagged fishing boats, the UK cocked up again and will allow anyone to own a permit, UK fishermen saw a quick profit and sold their permits to foreign flagged vessels.

It was in the link I supplied:

European seas are split into sectors and governments hand out quotas specifying how much of each type of fish can be caught.

Unlike in other countries the Environment Department allows any or all of its quotas to be sold to foreign trawler firms.
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Now they complain after pocketing the cash? It's no wonder they are brexiteers...
 
lol @ the irony of Chris complaining about "doom mongers" when so much of the Leave campaign was built on lies and fear mongering about immigrants.

Also a lot of irony in complaining about fishing when Farage is the one that lied about it, never bothered to show up for work or do anything to improve it.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/apr/09/nigel-farage-fishermen-ignored-ukip-brexit

Writing in this newspaper, John Lichfield exposed the myths that Ukip and others have peddled about foreign boats and quotas: for one thing, the distribution of national quotas is the responsibility of national government, not the EU. This means that while there is indeed an excellent case for the inshore fleet – that is, those who fish within 12 miles of the shore, using boats mostly shorter than 10 metres (all the fishing boats in Whitstable harbour fall into this category) – being allowed a substantial increase in their share of the British catch (currently just 4%), this has nothing to do with Brussels.

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Strangely, this crucial point was not raised by Farage in Whitstable, busy as he was posing for selfies and setting things on fire. It is palpably clear that fishermen need someone other than Farage on their side. He is not, as one protester’s banner put it, the fishermen’s friend. His voting record while a member of the influential European parliament fisheries committee is utterly dire – over three years, he turned up to one of 42 meetings. Research by Greenpeace shows that during the three major votes on the common fisheries policy, Farage failed to vote in favour of improving the legislation.
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OrbitalDawn said:
lol @ the irony of Chris complaining about "doom mongers" when so much of the Leave campaign was built on lies and fear mongering about immigrants.
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But Chris is happy (why the idea of a more racist/insular UK makes an Australian living in Cape Town, SA happy is an unknown though), remember there will be blue passports, fewer Muslims and Eastern Europeans will be allowed in and all those considered undesirable already living in the UK will be sent home, the moron ultra brexiteer wet dream ;),
 
You forgot the bronze statues of Jacob erected in every borough of England, Wales and Scotland.

Not to mention that border to protect British against these peasant Catholic Irish.
 
Just watching Sky News and Jacob Rees Mugg is wittering on with a statement along the lines of "it's not Brexit if the UK aligns it's regulatory framework with the EU after next year".

I wonder why?

Maybe:

An anti tax avoidance directive

The directive establishes a number of legally binding measures against aggressive tax planning. In particular, it aims to address situations where corporate groups take advantage of disparities between national tax systems in order to reduce their overall tax liability.

The amended amended anti-tax avoidance directive which introduces the rules neutralising hybrid mismatches with third countries has to be implemented by 1 January 2020.
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http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/anti-tax-avoidance-package/

Let's remember that Somerset Capital is managed via subsidiaries in the Cayman Islands and Singapore tax havens and Ireland as well now, (thanks to Brexit).

Wouldn't that new EU Directive have quite an adverse affect on tax haven hedge funds and their dealers? :whistle:
 
So looks like Brexiteer Cabinet members have capitulated and May's deal is complete nonsense and not even close to Brexit. Can't believe I'm saying this but hopefully Barnier rejects this nonsense out of hand.

Time for Tory backbenchers to vote this down and Farage to stop his admittedly great radio show and return to front line politics.
 
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But Chris is happy (why the idea of a more racist/insular UK makes an Australian living in Cape Town, SA happy is an unknown though), remember there will be blue passports, fewer Muslims and Eastern Europeans will be allowed in and all those considered undesirable already living in the UK will be sent home, the moron ultra brexiteer wet dream ;),
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Yeah because signing trade agreements with growing areas of the world is "insular". :rolleyes:. Or wanting a controlled immigration system as done by countries like Australia and Canada is "insular" :crylaugh:. Freedom of movement only works when there isn't a sizable minority of the the population that hates the West, Einstein. Also in case you haven't noticed there is a broad anti immigration coalition emerging in continental Europe. Started in Eastern Europe but they are now in power in Austria, Italy and Denmark. Came 2nd in the Netherlands and France and 3rd in Germany.

Most of the world isn't in the single market but seem to be doing alright. It's the pro Remain crowd who are insular, so frightened of the world out there. European countries traded with each other before the EU, people fell in love across countries before the EU and planes flew across countries before the EU.
 
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Chris_the_Brit said:
So looks like Brexiteer Cabinet members have capitulated and May's deal is complete nonsense and not even close to Brexit. Can't believe I'm saying this but hopefully Barnier rejects this nonsense out of hand.

Time for Tory backbenchers to vote this down and Farage to stop his admittedly great radio show and return to front line politics.
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I was just considering posting how Rees Mugg and his acolytes would be screaming and crying tonight, and there's one of them posting here even before I could :crylaugh:

From the BBC

The prime minister had gathered her 26 cabinet ministers together at her country residence to try and resolve differences over the shape of the UK's relations with the EU and break the current deadlock with the EU.

The main details of the "Chequers statement" are as follows:

The UK would accept continuing "harmonisation" with EU rules on the trade in goods, covering only those necessary to ensure frictionless trade

Parliament would have the final say over how these rules are incorporated into UK law, retaining the right to refuse to do so

There will be different arrangements for trade in services, including financial products, with greater "regulatory flexibility" and "strong reciprocal arrangements"

Freedom of movement as it stands will come to an end but a "mobility framework" will ensure UK and EU citizens can continue to travel to each other's territories and apply for study and work

A new customs arrangement will be phased in, with the goal of "a combined customs territory"

The UK will be able to control its own tariffs and develop an independent trade policy

The jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice will end but the UK will pay regard to its decisions in areas where common rules were in force
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Even a form of freedom of movement included :crylaugh:
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
European countries traded with each other before the EU, people fell in love across countries before the EU and planes flew across countries before the EU.
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And fought and killed each other in large numbers before the EU, don't forget that one!
 
Well even Nick Clegg says it is nonsense and he's not even a Brexiteer. Disappointed none of the Cabinet have resigned ...do they really like their ministerial perks so much?

Must say, this is a complete shocker, far worse than if we were in the EU.

The British are of course very reserved people so there won't be rioting like the Frenchies do every few weeks in Paris, but there will be a huge backlash to this. Not sure what form it will take exactly but interesting political times ahead.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Yeah because signing trade agreements with growing areas of the world is "insular". :rolleyes:. Or wanting a controlled immigration system as done by countries like Australia and Canada is "insular" :crylaugh:. Freedom of movement only works when there isn't a sizable minority of the the population that hates the West, Einstein.
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You might want to get rid of the Scots too then, they sort of hate the Brits... ;)

By the way, hasn't it been 195 times that we told you that by not being in Shengen, the UK always had the ability to control its immigration and borders, it just never put any effort into it. This reason is a damp squib the size of Trump's blimp.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Look up something called NATO - also established after WW2 ;). No need for the EU :p.
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Never said any different. Just pointing out your fantasy of how wonderful Europe was before the EU came and ****ed it up is just that... Fantasy... NATO doesn't seem to be too popular these days either, judging by the noises Mr trump is making
 
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