The Brexit Thread

Dave

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Trio of Gammon having a real moan on Sky News tonight.

Three of the biggest donors to the Leave campaign have told Sky News that they are dismayed by the progress of Brexit and that it would be better for Britain to remain in the European Union than sign up to Theresa May's withdrawal agreement.

The trio, who offered more than £5m in donations for the Leave campaign, each offered scathing criticism of the political process and insisted that Brexit had been "hampered", "squandered" or "obstructed".
  • Billionaire financier Peter Hargreaves said there would be "no Brexit" because politicians "are cowards".
  • Investment manager Jeremy Hosking, a major shareholder in Crystal Palace football club, said Mrs May's deal would put the UK "in a straitjacket".
  • Stuart Wheeler, founder of spreadbetting giant IG Index, said the UK had been reduced to "subservient begging".
Mr Hargreaves, who was behind the biggest personal donation to the Leave campaign, told Sky News that he thinks Brexit will not happen because politicians are "completely out of touch" with the will of the people.
https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-donors-theresa-mays-deal-is-worse-than-staying-in-the-eu-11575042
 

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I am deeply confused.

I thought the UK had no sovereignty?

However the ECJ ruling confirms exactly that the UK does have sovereignty.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ilaterally-stop-brexit-process-eu-court-rules
Yup, just like all those people who voted for communism had individual liberty and freedoms yeah? They could vote after all.

It is of course plain as day to see the motive here, neither the UK nor EU political class want brexit to happen, so the EU just wanted to be extra clear about allowing the UK to call it all off.
 
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Yup, just like all those people who voted for communism had individual liberty and freedoms yeah? They could vote after all.

It is of course plain as day to see the motive here, neither the UK nor EU political class want brexit to happen, so the EU just wanted to be extra clear about allowing the UK to call it all off.
Yup, conveniently timed just before tomorrow's vote (although that is looking to be delayed as well as Treason May has finally figured out she will be defeated heavily).

Also amazing how quick the ECJ case went through the court, absolutely nothing suspicious there...can't quite figure out why people call the ECJ a political court.

 

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A judgement by the European Court of Justice (ECJ) on Monday gives the UK the right to unilaterally withdraw its notification to leave the EU.

Campaigners for a second EU referendum claimed the ruling would "electrify" calls for a fresh public vote, while Leave supporters warned of "catastrophic" consequences should Brexit be overturned.

ECJ judges ruled revoking Article 50 is possible until the UK's withdrawal agreement enters into force or - if no deal is reached between London and Brussels - until the end of the two-year Article 50 negotiating period.

The UK could even decide to reverse Brexit within "any possible extension" to the Article 50 period, the court said.

In addition, if Article 50 is revoked, the UK could remain in the EU under the current terms of its membership, judges ruled.

This would allow the UK to keep its rebate on EU budget contributions, continue to opt-out of justice and home affairs legislation, and remain outside of the passport-free Schengen area and the euro single currency.
https://news.sky.com/story/european...ly-revoke-article-50-and-halt-brexit-11576865

They’ve even ruled the rebate and opt outs still apply.
 
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It was never going to pass. Hard Brexit, here we come.
Nope - lack of government preparation for that (deliberately of course). There are a variety of options...I think article 50 is going to be extended, but only marginally (6 weeks or so).

I'm not sure what her point in delaying it was, except for self-preservation (widely believed if she suffered a big enough defeat she'd have to resign).

She obviously hopes to gain concessions of some sort, especially on the Irish backstop, but believe the WA has been finalised - I don't think it can be reopened.

So it will just be cosmetic changes, but most MPs opposing the deal aren't going to be fooled by this on probably the biggest parliamentary vote in a generation.
 

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There are a few potential options from here. It could be that there is a general election.
A general election solves nothing though. It'll probably put Corbyn in power, and he'll end up with exactly the same deal May got. By then the clock would've long run out.
 
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