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zippy said:
These socialist countries seem to be doing quite well. You need to check your sources of “recorded history” again

China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium
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None of them are socialist countries, if you like we can go through them one by one, but you can start by bringing an actual example of socialism to the table.
 
Pitbull said:
I would classify them as Capitalist countries with a social/compassionate responsibility.

But that is too technical. They are not socialist countries, in short.
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Which is exactly the kind of socialism that Narrowmind’s youth would vote for.

Perhaps someone is confusing communism with socialism
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
There's no confusion, they're close cousins any way you care to cut it.


No, just no.
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Earlier in the week I was in Berlin and I took pictures of the memorial to the socialist politicians killed by the Nazis (slates). Strange how they were killed off in a socialist state ...

Later on I was at the Museum for Victims of the Nazi Regime in Dusseldorf this past week and looking, listening and reading first hand accounts of people persecuted by the Nazis and formal written Nazi policy, it becomes very clear the Nazis were anything but socialists. Property rights of pro Nazis businesses were well preserved. Capitalism flourished.

As an aside, was in Maastricht in the Netherlands yesterday and took some pictures of these memorials (brass cobblestones). Did some reading on how they deported the Jews from Maastricht on to Auschwitz, it was quiet scary how ruthlessly efficient the Nazis were.
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J.K. Rowling is an international treasure. Here's why:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1076458808703180800

And lo, unto her did appear a host of Corbyn defenders, who did descend upon her mentions, and she was not sore afraid, because she was used to it. And the host did sing with one voice, ‘ungodly woman, thou foolest us not. We know the true reason thou despisest Saint Jeremy.’

And she did say unto them ‘share thy hot take.’ And with righteous wrath they did declare, ‘thou fearest Saint Jeremy, friend of the poor, because he shall take from thee in taxation much more even than Herod, and so thou attackest the meek and honest saviour of this land.’

And she did reply, ‘I shall not call ye dimwits, for it is the season of goodwill, but tis not Saint Jeremy who shall tax me, nay, not even if he enters the house of Number Ten, for my tax rates are set by Queen Nicola, in whose kingdom I do abide, and unto her I do pay

my full portion, seeking neither to flee to Monaco nor to hide my gold in far flung lands, like St Jacob, Patron Saint of Filthy Hypocrites.’ ‘Speak not of hypocrites!’ cried the host, ‘for thou dost claim to care about the poor yet doth rail against their champion, St Jeremy!’

And she did answer, ‘How shall the poor fare under Brexit, which thy Saint hath always in his secret heart desired, yet he hath not admitted what was in his heart, lest fewer attend his next Sermon on the Glastonbury B Stage.’ And they did answer, ‘Saint Jeremy will achieve

a miracle, and he shall bring forth a Jobs First Brexit and all the land shall rejoice.’ And she did answer, ‘bollocks.’ But she bethought her of the season of goodwill, and repenting of her ire she did speak further. ‘I have, for all my life, voted Labour, yet now I cannot.’

‘But his goodness doth shine out of his every orifice!’ cried the host, swarming anew into her mentions. ‘Behold his beard! Look upon this picture of him being led off by police when he was protesting racism in all its forms!’ And she did say, ‘I have looked upon his beard

...and also upon this picture. It is a good picture and I do like a beard, as I have oft declared. Yet must I protest, thou it breaketh my heart so to do, that this party of Labour, which I have so long loved, has become, under St Jeremy -‘

‘Speak not of the Jews!’ cried the host. ‘Why must thou speak so oft of the Jews?’ ‘Yea, I must speak,’ said she, ‘for when Jews no longer feel safe in Labour then I too must leave.’ And one of the host did shout something about the Rothschilds

and he was hastily hushed by his brethren, who did declare, ‘he is not one of ours, thou he sports a #JC4PM halo.’ And another did speak and he said, ‘it is not antisemitic to criticise Israel,’ and she did put her face in her hands and want to weep.

But she did then look up and see many stars shining brightly in the sky and lo, they did arrange themselves before her eyes into a ‘who would make the best Prime Minister poll’ and she did cry, ‘Will ye not raise up your eyes to the Heavens? See there the People’s mind!’

And they did look up at the stars and read there that St Jeremy was, as for ages past, in third place after Pontus May and Don’t Know. And she spake further, ‘do ye not see that St Jeremy is hurting your party, yea, that his inability even to organise a vote of no confidence

doth embolden and strengthen this calamitous government, of which all despair?’ But they did close their eyes to the stars and some did answer, ‘you are a fool who doth not understand St Jeremy’s master plan’

and others still did beseech the woman to descend from the ivory tower in which, for the purposes of this story, they would wish her to dwell. And they besought her to descend into Bethlehem, and go to a certain allotment,

where she would find the Messiah busy with his marrows and she would be filled with the spirit of Momentum. But she did shake her head and declare that she was and would remain an unbeliever, yet full sorrowful she was, for Labour had been her home.

And the host did despise and condemn her, and many did tell her to **** off and join the Tories, and before they did depart one of their number cried unto her, ‘it’s because he’ll tax you more, isn’t it,’ and she did sigh and wished him a Merry Christmas.
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buka001 said:
Earlier in the week I was in Berlin and I took pictures of the memorial to the socialist politicians killed by the Nazis (slates). Strange how they were killed off in a socialist state ...
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Are you somehow under the impression that socialists don't kill other socialists? Communists don't kill communists and democrats don't kill democrats? Quite a silly notion ...

Berlin is awesome though, been a while since I've been there.
 
Dave said:
Not since the wall came down? :p:p:p
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Now that you mention it, my accommodation was an apartment on the "east" side of Berlin, they're more spacious so the locals rush to find one when it becomes available.

The year was 2009 though, here, have some original wall and Jewish memorial:
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Run for the door Britain! EU is accelerating its decline:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...-states-must-give-sovereignty-new-world-order
“Nation states must today be prepared to give up their sovereignty”, according to German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who told an audience in Berlin that sovereign nation states must not listen to the will of their citizens when it comes to questions of immigration, borders, or even sovereignty.
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Macron: “Europe must be stronger… and win more sovereignty,” he went on to demand, just like Merkel, that EU member states surrender national sovereignty to Brussels over “foreign affairs, migration, and development” as well as giving “an increasing part of our budgets and even fiscal resources”.
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and have some faith:
https://www.biznews.com/undictated/...of-1600-years-ago-betting-history-will-repeat
The last time Britain cut ties with Europe was in the year 410 CE when Rome was sacked by the Goths, forcing the last colonising legionnaire to go back across the channel.

Johnson writes that Rome’s withdrawal was followed by a century of “unprecedented growth of prosperity in Britain…..which derived all the benefits of economic contacts with a great Continental market with none of the disadvantages of economic and political subjection.”
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NarrowBandFtw said:
Run for the door Britain! EU is accelerating its decline:
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...-states-must-give-sovereignty-new-world-order
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Zerohedge? really? You turning into a mini-Xarog?

Funnily enough, translating the source document doesn’t seem to say what zerohedge says it does...

At the event "Parliamentarism in the Tension of Globalization and National Sovereignty", international parliamentarians discussed ways of resolving populism and the 2019 European elections.

Merkel explained that Germany had given up part of its sovereign rights to the European Union. "But the states are the masters of the treaties". This requires always the backing and the decision of the national parliament. The heart of democracy is parliament, Merkel said, referring to an earlier quotation from Prof. Dr. med. Norbert Lammert.

Trust and the willingness to compromise are important keys in this national and international tense relationship. Especially in the discussions about the United Nations Migration Pact, it became clear that fundamental issues would be called into question. It questioned the democratic legitimacy of the institution and its conventions, even if they were decided a long time ago by the national parliaments. She criticized that "there are people who believed that they could determine when these agreements would become invalid because they represent the people". She denied this nationalism. "The people are the people who live permanently in one country and not a group that defines them as a people," emphasized the Chancellor.
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Google translate of the page linked by zerohedge https://www.kas.de/veranstaltungsberichte/detail/-/content/-das-herz-der-demokratie-
 
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