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Hosehead said:
/ pops Sparkling Wine .
/ Snickers at Irish discomfort
/ rolls eyes at the remoaners
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I'm not a remoaner at all, I'm actually happy that UK leaves, they always have been a pain for EU integration and were always the show stoppers.

France vetoed UK's application in 1963 and 1967, UK wasn't always sought for...
 
All I want to know is what it means for Germans like me who love the UK :love: :mad:
 
Hosehead said:
France vetos just about everything then they turn their little dump trucks upside down . Fsk the frogs
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Same for the UK who wants in, then out... I guess they're frogs as well.
 
f2wohf said:
150th time I repeat it, the EU allows control of the border, it is an option. France has border control right now, Germany as well, Austria as well.

So the German economy is not a success story ? France ? Spain ? Poland ?
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Of course Germany has benefited from the EU. It is the chief member along with France. I'm not so sure of France / Spain benefitting greatly from the EU. France probably has the biggest anti-EU feeling in the whole of Western Europe besides the UK.

Why Germany is the Eurozone’s biggest free rider

As worries rise that the eurozone is slipping into recession, it's clear Germany is doing way better than its neighbors. Today, the country has low unemployment, very low inflation, a large trade surplus and a balanced budget. By contrast, most members of the Eurozone are stagnating, while some are going through a catastrophic recession and suffering from debilitating unemployment. The German government says that its own success and its neighbors’ failures are unrelated; that poor performance is due to poor decisions. Yet, even though the policy failures are real enough, this analysis is false.

Germany has for many years pursued a policy of wage suppression, which many economists have described as a competitive devaluation or ‘beggar thy neighbor’ policy. Germany’s gains in competitiveness were immediately translated to gains in trade, since the freedom of goods, services, persons and capital allowed German products to circulate freely and quickly throughout the European Union. These are the fundamental freedoms of EU law and are vigorously protected by the European Court of Justice. German policy would not have been successful without them

Germany has also benefited from the fixed exchange rate that the Euro effectively secures between itself and its major European markets. This means that its export boom was not offset by a rise in its own currency. If Germany had been outside the Euro, currency appreciation would have hurt Germany’s gains. Not so in the Eurozone.
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Also there is no real control of the borders like Brexiteers envisage. We will increase/decrease limits as and when required. Not this schit show right now when everybody from other EU countries can just come in. Just wait until Merkel's 1 million+ immigrants get passports. Terrorist attacks will spike exponentially.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Of course Germany has benefited from the EU. It is the chief member along with France. I'm not so sure of France / Spain benefitting greatly from the EU. France probably has the biggest anti-EU feeling in the whole of Western Europe besides the UK.

Why Germany is the Eurozone’s biggest free rider



Also there is no real control of the borders like Brexiteers envisage. We will increase/decrease limits as and when required. Not this schit show right now when everybody from other EU countries can just come in. Just wait until Merkel's 1 million+ immigrants get passports. Terrorist attacks will spike exponentially.
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France from the currency (the Franc was regularly being devaluated before the euro) and for its agricultural (major beneficiary).

Spain for its infrastructure and industrial development thanks to accessing cheap financing due to the euro (and the stability provided before the euro on its currency).

The sentiment is not that anti-EU in France.

72% of French are opposed leaving the euro (March 2017 poll).

37% think EU has more inconvenient than advantages, 31% the opposite, and 32% think inconvenients and advantages are similar.

http://www.boursorama.com/actualite...rance-a-l-ue-c4756498844fb84716a70805e60e3491

82% of the 18-30 judge the EU positively.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Also there is no real control of the borders like Brexiteers envisage. We will increase/decrease limits as and when required. Not this schit show right now when everybody from other EU countries can just come in. Just wait until Merkel's 1 million+ immigrants get passports. Terrorist attacks will spike exponentially.
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lol, usual fact-free romanticising. The majority of immigration to the UK has been non-EU and they've had the ability to control it yet they've chosen not to.

That's why even hardliner Brexiters like Hannan admit immigration likely won't change much post-Brexit.
 
http://uk.businessinsider.com/nigel-farage-will-leave-britain-if-brexit-is-a-disaster-2017-3

Nigel Farage will abandon the UK if Brexit is a disaster, the former UKIP leader said on Monday night.

Farage, who has spent his political life campaigning for Britain to leave the EU, was asked whether he would apologise if Brexit led to huge job losses and economic ruin.

Farage refused to do so, saying that there wasn't a "tradition" of politicians apologising in the UK.

"I see hardly anyone resigning. I see hardly anyone apologising," he told a caller to his LBC show.

He then added: "If Brexit is a disaster I will go and live abroad. I will go and live somewhere else."
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OrbitalDawn said:
lol, usual fact-free romanticising. The majority of immigration to the UK has been non-EU and they've had the ability to control it yet they've chosen not to.

That's why even hardliner Brexiters like Hannan admit immigration likely won't change much post-Brexit.
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But EU will turn into Somalia after Brexit and France in Syria if Le Pen is not elected.

That's in addition of no access to capital markets and their stubborn leftist posture.

So U.K. is smart by preventively avoiding Syrian (French) and Somalians (German) access via the Brexit !
 
f2wohf said:
Regarding your link, how is it in any way related to borders ?
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Not sure if serious?!? :wtf:

You claim EU members are in control of their borders, how is that possible if the EU gets to dictate to members how many migrants they should accommodate? Migrants that other members failed to keep from crossing their borders ...

So Germany tells the world: send me your poor, free meals and wealth for all!
Then the EU tells its members: thou shalt take x number of migrants

and you think members control their own borders when they have no say over an issue such as this? :crylaugh:
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Not sure if serious?!? :wtf:

You claim EU members are in control of their borders, how is that possible if the EU gets to dictate to members how many migrants they should accommodate? Migrants that other members failed to keep from crossing their borders ...

So Germany tells the world: send me your poor, free meals and wealth for all!
Then the EU tells its members: thou shalt take x number of migrants

and you think members control their own borders when they have no say over an issue such as this? :crylaugh:
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I don't think this is what they crying about...

They crying about not being able to get into the UK on an EU passport no more... Cry us a river :D
 
Pitbull said:
I don't think this is what they crying about...
They crying about not being able to get into the UK on an EU passport no more... Cry us a river :D
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Oh I'm sure there are many reasons bremoaners are still wailing, I just don't get how anyone can claim EU members states are in control of their borders when it is demonstrably false:

- countries in control of their borders are not forced to house migrants from Syria and North Africa

- countries in control of their borders are not forced to guarantee social grants to citizens of other EU member states

- countries in control of their borders are not forced to meet any quota at all w.r.t. letting citizens of other EU member states reside and seek employment within its borders

How the hell any deluded bremoaner can face those facts and still reckon the UK had control of their own borders is mystifying.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
lol, usual fact-free romanticising. The majority of immigration to the UK has been non-EU and they've had the ability to control it yet they've chosen not to.

That's why even hardliner Brexiters like Hannan admit immigration likely won't change much post-Brexit.
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So now other EU countries will have the same rules applied to them as the UK does to other countries.

There were effectively no limits to EU immigration but now (hopefully) there will be. That WILL reduce immigration.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Oh I'm sure there are many reasons bremoaners are still wailing, I just don't get how anyone can claim EU members states are in control of their borders when it is demonstrably false:

- countries in control of their borders are not forced to house migrants from Syria and North Africa

- countries in control of their borders are not forced to guarantee social grants to citizens of other EU member states

- countries in control of their borders are not forced to meet any quota at all w.r.t. letting citizens of other EU member states reside and seek employment within its borders

How the hell any deluded bremoaner can face those facts and still reckon the UK had control of their own borders is mystifying.
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Yes...they were so much in control of the borders that one terrorist was killed in Italy, far away from where the attack took place in Berlin.

Or that some attacks in France are carried out by Muslims from Molenbeek in Belgium.

A defining principle of the EU is open borders...lol :D.
 
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f2wohf said:
France from the currency (the Franc was regularly being devaluated before the euro) and for its agricultural (major beneficiary).

Spain for its infrastructure and industrial development thanks to accessing cheap financing due to the euro (and the stability provided before the euro on its currency).

The sentiment is not that anti-EU in France.

72% of French are opposed leaving the euro (March 2017 poll).

37% think EU has more inconvenient than advantages, 31% the opposite, and 32% think inconvenients and advantages are similar.

http://www.boursorama.com/actualite...rance-a-l-ue-c4756498844fb84716a70805e60e3491

82% of the 18-30 judge the EU positively.
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Le Pen will get 37-40% of the vote in the 2nd round and she's avowedly anti-EU. That's quite significant IMO.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
So now other EU countries will have the same rules applied to them as the UK does to other countries.

There were effectively no limits to EU immigration but now (hopefully) there will be. That WILL reduce immigration.
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Yep, no way to know until deals with the EU are actually agreed upon over the next 2 years. It's pointless assuming one thing or another as both the EU and the UK will have to compromise on many issues over the coming brexit period.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Yes...they were so much in control of the borders that one terrorist was killed in Italy, far away from where the attack took place in Berlin.

Or that some attacks in France are carried out by Muslims from Molenbeek in Belgium.

A defining principle of the EU is open borders...lol :D.
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Maybe because the border control has been put in place on 26 January 2017.

The terrorist was killed in Italy on 23rd December 2016...
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Le Pen will get 37-40% of the vote in the 2nd round and she's avowedly anti-EU. That's quite significant IMO.
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Most of the people voting for her are not for leaving the EU are not particularly for the FN, haven't you noticed that none of the candidates of the two big parties are ahead in the polls ? It's a desperate vote by lack of alternative and lack of renewal from the main parties.

Macron and Le Pen being ahead is because people are fed up with the main parties who have put two bad presidents in a row (Sarkozy and Hollande).
 
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