The Brexit Thread

rietrot

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Not quoting as it's in French but Euler Hermes (major credit insurance company) estimates in a new report that French companies lost 6 billion € in exports since 2016 due to Brexit side effects (low £ rendering British companies more competitive, investments slowing down due to uncertainty and lower UK internal consumption).

http://www.lefigaro.fr/conjoncture/...manche-ont-deja-perdu-6-milliards-d-euros.php

Just posting the chart about French exports to UK:
Yellow: agro products
Blue: Consumer products
Grey: Professional services
Dark brown: Automotive
Light brown: Industrial goods
Burgundy: Chemicals and plastic
Dark red: Aerospace
Red: Others

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Amazing how they can lose real money on a future event that didn't even happen yet.

I don't know how anyone can take that seriously.
 

rietrot

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It is actually in the EUs best interest to force a hard Brexit to scare all the others that want to leave back in line.
 

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Amazing how they can lose real money on a future event that didn't even happen yet.

I don't know how anyone can take that seriously.
if it fits their narrative they can take any sh**t seriously. Its got nothing to do with reality or facts. Never has.
 

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Reading the live stream is quite a lol. It's chaotic, with the government whipping votes against their own motion now, after May said it'll be a free vote - more ministerial resignations on the cards, with 1 already gone.
British Parliamentary politics has always been chaotic. Its been masked by membership of the EU. Now that Parliament is in charge again its gonna be weekly chaos.

Whats interesting is that hard core Brexiteers here have already starting whinging about Parliament, who just by the by, are the elected representatives, and who have been elected recently, and recently specifically means AFTER the referendum results, making the current lot of MP a more up to date reflection of the democratic choice of voters.

Chris, the bell-end, should take note. After all, this is what he wanted: Sovereignty back with Parliament. rofl :)
 

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It is actually in the EUs best interest to force a hard Brexit to scare all the others that want to leave back in line.
The EU will never take that risk, if the UK does not implode after a hard brexit it will embolden the others immensely.

They would much rather just cancel brexit or make a deal that is functionally equivalent to EU membership so they can maintain the status quo.
 
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I was actually watching it last night. It's hilarious.

The inaptness of these people are staggering. Now if the EU doesn't extend article 50, UK can't leave because No-Deal has been removed as an option. They are now playing politics instead of getting the people's wishes actioned. I'm watching this and laughing so hard. Bunch of politicians are ruining their careers and they can't even see it.
 
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British Parliamentary politics has always been chaotic. Its been masked by membership of the EU. Now that Parliament is in charge again its gonna be weekly chaos.

Whats interesting is that hard core Brexiteers here have already starting whinging about Parliament, who just by the by, are the elected representatives, and who have been elected recently, and recently specifically means AFTER the referendum results, making the current lot of MP a more up to date reflection of the democratic choice of voters.

Chris, the bell-end, should take note. After all, this is what he wanted: Sovereignty back with Parliament. rofl :)
Zippy, the bell end, should look at the 2017 Conservative manifesto about leaving the EU. The referendum was an instruction by the people.

This kind of sums it up:

 
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Se what happens if the EU does not grant an extension?
Then the UK government is farked (since it has been deliberately slow in doing any no-deal preparations). A sensible government would have been preparing since beginning of 2017 but since those at the very top of government get warm fuzzy feelings about the EU, no-deal planning has been almost non-existent, by design.

What I'm worried about now is that Treason May is now saying that the extension will be until the 30th of June only if her deal passes or else it will be a two-year delay.

Brexiteers need to hold firm and now be bounced into voting for her rotten deal! Her deal is forever...May's premiership is temporary (and hopefully on its last legs!). But there also rumours May will promise to resign on condition her WA is passed. Hmmm....
 

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You remember what caused that, right? Cocksure investors hedging their bets that we definitely wouldn't ever vote to leave the EU: billions were wiped off the table overnight when they lost.
The consequence remains the same, no?

The cause is the international sentiment around Brexit.

You do not get to nitpick what you want to be a factor or not. Without Brexit vote, this would most likely not have occurred.
 

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The consequence remains the same, no?

The cause is the international sentiment around Brexit.

You do not get to nitpick what you want to be a factor or not. Without Brexit vote, this would most likely not have occurred.
Nitpick? Hardly. It was the exact reason the £ tanked the way it did (On the opposite end of the spectrum, it made a handful of people filthy rich). If Remain had won, the currency would have become even more over inflated than it already was. If anything, the vote brought it back down to a realistic level.
 

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And amid the darkness, this is some good news (very likely to pass, IMO). Amendment tonight to rule out a 2nd referendum...

You mean maybe an amendment tonight, the speaker has to decide which will selected for consideration.

MPs have tabled a number of amendments to May’s proposal. It will be for the Commons speaker to decide which to select for debate.

It is, however, unlikely that all will be pushed to a vote at 5pm.

The amendments are:
- Labour

Labour’s amendment notes that Parliament has “decisively” rejected both Mrs May’s deal and no deal and calls for a delay to Brexit “to provide parliamentary time for this House to find a majority for a different approach”.

- No second referendum

A cross-party amendment, tabled by Tory Lee Rowley and backed by 111 Leave-backing MPs, calls for the result of the 2016 referendum to be respected and a second vote on EU membership to be ruled out. Signatories include former ministers George Eustice and Dominic Raab, European Research Group deputy chairman Steve Baker, Labour MPs Gareth Snell and Caroline Flint, and Democratic Unionist Party Westminster leader Nigel Dodds.

- Second referendum

Tabled by Independent Group MP Sarah Wollaston and backed by members of the new grouping, Liberal Democrats and a handful from other parties, this amendment seeks an Article 50 extension to stage a second referendum with Remain and Parliament’s preferred Brexit option on the ballot paper.

- Liberal Democrats

Sir Vince Cable’s party have tabled an amendment calling for an extension to arrange a second referendum, with Remain on the ballot paper.

- Scottish independence

Tabled by the Scottish National Party, this amendment says Scotland must not be taken out of the EU against its will and that this can best be avoided by allowing its people to vote for independence.

- Plaid Cymru

The Welsh nationalist party is calling for an extension to 2021 for more negotiations, with a binding referendum at that point on whether to accept whatever deal has been agreed or remain in the EU.

- Revoke Article 50

Tabled by SNP MP Angus MacNeil and backed by Europhile MPs from across the House, including Tory grandee Kenneth Clarke and Labour’s Keith Vaz, this amendment calls for Brexit to be halted by withdrawing the UK’s notice of intention to leave under Article 50 of the EU treaties.

- New negotiating team

Tabled by Leave-backing Conservative Sir Christopher Chope, with no other signatories, this amendment calls for an extension to May 22 “for the specific purpose of replacing the UK negotiating team”.
https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/house-of-commons-amendments-1-5936878
 

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So basically 1 amendment to remove the option of a second referendum, and then many more dealing with a second referendum or revoking Article 50...
 

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So basically 1 amendment to remove the option of a second referendum, and then many more dealing with a second referendum or revoking Article 50...
Having had a read of the amendment it doesn’t even do that, it just makes a statement that a second referendum shouldn’t happen, it doesn’t actually rule out a second ref.

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ToxicBunny

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So they're not even cock-sure enough to want it ruled out entirely...

Fence sitting fscking cowards... Man up to wanting to completely fsck the country up...
 
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