The Brexit Thread

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Chris_the_Brit said:
Regarding referenda...yes you are right...but then what message are you sending if simple ignore the result? A way to ensure a degree of stability is to respect the wishes of the electorate.
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How is the People's Vote ignoring the result?

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/

Chris_the_Brit said:
Everyone is economical about the truth in the heat of the campaign (Remain lied as well FYI). More importantly the central tenets of the Leave campaign were - no control over immigration, foreign judges ruling over the UK and partial removal of sovereignty were 100% true.
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Those 'central tenets' were also lied about constantly, including in your post.
 
Dave said:
Can you point out the court cases, police investigations or Electoral Commission enquiries into the Remain campaign?
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Excellent point, as much as both sides lied, at least the leave campaign didn't stoop so low as to abuse their power as the government to make even the courts, electoral commission, bank of England, BBC and even f-ing Obama etc further their agenda.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Excellent point, as much as both sides lied, at least the leave campaign didn't stoop so low as to abuse their power as the government to make even the courts, electoral commission, bank of England, BBC and even f-ing Obama etc further their agenda.
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But what lies (that would have been serious enough for police/electoral commission investigation) did the Remain campaign tell?

Not a trolling question, I genuinely can’t think of any.
 
Dave said:
But what lies (that would have been serious enough for police/electoral commission investigation) did the Remain campaign tell?

Not a trolling question, I genuinely can’t think of any.
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search this thread, I've posted a handy breakdown twice before already, not digging for it again just so everyone can stick their heads in the sand a third time and proclaim "but those aren't lies"

essentially EVERY SINGLE doomsayer prophecy of the economy was a blatant lie, and there were countless of those
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
search this thread, I've posted a handy breakdown twice before already, not digging for it again just so everyone can stick their heads in the sand a third time and proclaim "but those aren't lies"

essentially EVERY SINGLE doomsayer prophecy of the economy was a blatant lie, and there were countless of those
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Things like economic forecasts aren’t lies. I’m talking about out and out lies like the 350mn bus or Farage’s refugee posters.

A quick google shows lists of Vote Leave lies, a similar search for Remain lies doesn’t show the equivalent.

Here’s one example.

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https://www.richardcorbett.org.uk/long-list-leave-lies/
 
Dave said:
Things like economic forecasts aren’t lies. I’m talking about out and out lies like the 350mn bus or Farage’s refugee posters.
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and if you bother to look into the 350mn claim and more interestingly rebuttals thereof you'd know it is almost impossible to calculate the real figure, those who disproved it merely disproved 350mn and hypothesized that it is less, but left the possibility out there that it could even be more, just not "350mn"

the bremoan side is chock full of the same estimated bullshyte presented as fact, the campaign posters, headlines and what not were NOT forecasts, they stated "fact" .... just ... like ... the 350mn saga

or how about these:
http://www.dailyglobe.co.uk/comment/the-many-lies-of-the-remain-campaign/

or these, that I've posted at least twice before:
NarrowBandFtw said:
and you use a campaign slogan by the very same faux brexiteers I just mentioned ... :ROFL:

here, have some remain bullshyte to balance the scales a bit:
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NarrowBandFtw said:
and if you bother to look into the 350mn claim and more interestingly rebuttals thereof you'd know it is almost impossible to calculate the real figure, those who disproved it merely disproved 350mn and hypothesized that it is less, but left the possibility out there that it could even be more, just not "350mn"

the bremoan side is chock full of the same estimated bullshyte presented as fact, the campaign posters, headlines and what not were NOT forecasts, they stated "fact" .... just ... like ... the 350mn saga

or how about these:
http://www.dailyglobe.co.uk/comment/the-many-lies-of-the-remain-campaign/

or these, that I've posted at least twice before:
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And we've debunked that pic before.

Can you tell us which ones are lies? In your professional opinion
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
and if you bother to look into the 350mn claim and more interestingly rebuttals thereof you'd know it is almost impossible to calculate the real figure, those who disproved it merely disproved 350mn and hypothesized that it is less, but left the possibility out there that it could even be more, just not "350mn"
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Though even Nigel Farage disowned the 350 million lie the very morning of the result and said he wouldn’t have made it (why did he wait for the morning after the vote to say it though ;)).

Nigel Farage has admitted that it was a "mistake" to promise that £350million a week would be spent on the NHS if the UK backed a Brexit vote.

Speaking just an hour after the Leave vote was confirmed the Ukip leader said the money could not be guaranteed and claimed he would never have made the promise in the first place.

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Asked by ITV's Good Morning Britain whether he could guarantee that the £350m that was sent to the EU would now go the NHS, Mr Farage said: “No I can’t, I would never have made that claim.

"That was one of the mistakes made by the Leave campaign.”
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...million-pledge-to-fund-the-nhs-was-a-mistake/
 
Hamish McPanji said:
And we've debunked that pic before.
Can you tell us which ones are lies? In your professional opinion
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You haven't debunked shyte, go back in the thread and see the answer to the question you love posing as if it has not been answered.

Predictable as all hell though:
NarrowBandFtw said:
just so everyone can stick their heads in the sand a third time and proclaim "but those aren't lies"
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Dave said:
Though even Nigel Farage disowned the 350 million lie the very morning of the result and said he wouldn’t have made it (why did he wait for the morning after the vote to say it though ;)).
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He's mostly saying it was a mistake to say it would go to NHS, not so much a mistake to say tons of money would be saved and be available to spend elsewhere.

Not that it matters, it's been widely accepted as a lie, and if that is a lie, then so is many of the bremoan statements, some of which I've now provided a third time.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
I already have, you just ignore it. So go back in the thread if you're seriously wondering, or gfy, makes no difference to me.
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Maybe your proof is just BS. As usual.

Especially since the predictions in the "lies" pic are still due. Which means they are probably still true.
 
I’ve just found a reason why @Chris_the_Brit could be so in love with Jacob Rees-Mogg.



Tory racism storm deepens as Jacob Rees-Mogg promotes video of German far-right leader

Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg has caused consternation after approvingly quoting the leader of a German far-right party whose senior figures have called for refugees to be shot.

The influential Tory Brexiteer posted a video of Alice Weidel, leader of the AfD, commenting on Brexit to his social media profile.

The AfD, whose candidates have declared that Islam is worse than the plague and that refugee boats should be sunk, marched alongside neo-Nazis last year, leading to some of its members being put under formal state surveillance.

“You can tell a lot about the person by the company they keep”, one social media user commented under Mr Rees-Mogg’s tweet, while another added “Are you quoting the same AfD that had posters urging an ‘Islam-free’ Bavaria at a recent election?”

The AfD was kicked out of the Conservatives’ own European Parliament group, the ECR, in 2016 after former leader Frauke Petry said German police should shoot refugees.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ght-twitter-brexit-alice-weidel-a8848826.html
 
Dave with the same reaction as the very stupid and professional race baitor David Lammy (the UK's version of Julius Malema in case anyone is wondering. He's literally obsessed with white people.)

Now let's debunk your nonsese. AfD are the only anti-EU party in the German parliament so JRM posted the speech because the speaker criticised the EU. Grow up, snowflake.

"I'm not supporting the AfD. But this is a speech in the Bundestag of real importance because it shows a German view of Brexit."

He added: "I don't think re-tweeting is an endorsement of things that other people stand for. It's just pointing out that there's something interesting that's worth watching."
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47770959
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Now let's debunk your nonsese. AfD are the only anti-EU party in the German parliament so JRM posted the speech because the speaker criticised the EU. Grow up, snowflake.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47770959
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Why wouldn’t you like the AfD?

The party has been described as a German nationalist, right-wing populist, and Eurosceptic party.Since about 2015, the AfD has been increasingly open to working with far-right extremist groups such as Pegida.[22]

Parts of the AfD have racist,[23] Islamophobic,[24] anti-Semitic[25][26] and xenophobic[13][27][28] tendencies linked to far-right movements such as neo-Nazism[29][26] and identitarianism.[30][31]
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany

Have you considered becoming a party member?
 
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