The Brexit Thread

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Pitbull said:
Read this morning that the Brexit Party has more support than that of the traditional parties combined :unsure:
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Not exactly true. But they can get nearly 50% of the vote because of their single issue stance. And a few conservative MPs and ministers even support it/ will vote for it. The conservatives might as well now out

As an example, UKIP won the last European elections with 24 seats , more than Labour or Conservatives. Then they did nothing useful with the power it gave them, except not pitch up very often.

Labour are still sitting on the fence somewhere. Corbyn has taken the "if you don't have anything intelligent to say, just keep quiet" stance very seriously.

The Lib Dems and Greens are pro Europe and so may be the pro EU vote depends how they play things.

Brexit party will win the most seats. The question is, by how much and what will they do with it?
 
Hamish McPanji said:
Not exactly true. But they can get nearly 50% of the vote because of their single issue stance. And a few conservative MPs and ministers even support it/ will vote for it. The conservatives might as well now out

As an example, UKIP won the last European elections with 24 seats , more than Labour or Conservatives. Then they did nothing useful with the power it gave them, except not pitch up very often.

Labour are still sitting on the fence somewhere. Corbyn has taken the "if you don't have anything intelligent to say, just keep quiet" stance very seriously.

The Lib Dems and Greens are pro Europe and so may be the pro EU vote depends how they play things.

Brexit party will win the most seats. The question is, by how much and what will they do with it?
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I'm pretty confident they will get Brexit done. May was stuck with a potato she didn't want so tried her best to delay it. The writing is on the wall now. Brexit WILL happen it seems either with May at the Helm or the Brexit Party.
 
Pitbull said:
I'm pretty confident they will get Brexit done. May was stuck with a potato she didn't want so tried her best to delay it. The writing is on the wall now. Brexit WILL happen it seems either with May at the Helm or the Brexit Party.
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You are a bit confused. These European elections has no effect on what the UK parliament does. So they can't get brexit done. They can just be like Julius and be belligerent and disruptive in the European parliament to ensure that work is not done.

What they do have is a clear message, which the 2 biggest parties doesn't have. The UK parliament has the brexit mandate, not the European parliament

The Brexit failure is the Tory party at the moment, who are totally schit, and have a schit leader
 
The Free Radical said:
The problem being that the crowd who were let in didn't integrate because the gaps in religion and culture were too wide, preferring to isolate themselves in pockets, which then became radicalized.
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Are you talking about the British in Africa, India and the Middle East?
 
Hamish McPanji said:
You are a bit confused. These European elections has no effect on what the UK parliament does. So they can't get brexit done. They can just be like Julius and be belligerent and disruptive in the European parliament to ensure that work is not done.

What they do have is a clear message, which the 2 biggest parties doesn't have. The UK parliament has the brexit mandate, not the European parliament

The Brexit failure is the Tory party at the moment, who are totally schit, and have a schit leader
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I thought the Brexit Party is here to stay and contest the next election in the UK too?
 
Pitbull said:
I thought the Brexit Party is here to stay and contest the next election in the UK too?
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Depends when the election will occur. They already had one not so long ago. They can change prime ministers without having an election.

Also, the European election vote is seen as the lesser important vote than even the local elections. So protest votes are common there. Doesn't automatically translate to a national election.
 
Hamish McPanji said:
Depends when the election will occur. They already had one not so long ago. They can change prime ministers without having an election.

Also, the European election vote is seen as the lesser important vote than even the local elections. So protest votes are common there. Doesn't automatically translate to a national election.
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Thanks for the clarity. I honestly though they are nearing another lection (UK) because of the leadership fails. Anyway, thanks for the clarity.
 
Pitbull said:
Thanks for the clarity. I honestly though they are nearing another lection (UK) because of the leadership fails. Anyway, thanks for the clarity.
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I think it's more likely that the Tories would go for Boris as the leader or a proper Brexiteer or they will get decimated. Calling an election at this stage would be deemed assisted suicide. As much as politicians like legacies, destroying their own party is unlikely to be the legacy even a schit leader like May will want.

I'm actually on the remain side of the divide, but as soon as the populace voted for Brexit, and negotiation was involved, I wanted the most bastard Brexiteer in place to pursue Brexit purely to ensure the strongest Britain for my kids future. The Tory idiots decides to vote for a leader that makes Chamberlain look like a warmongering hawk.

So my opinion is that is if it happens , it should be a strong leader who makes it happen. However I prefer for it not to happen.

Farage is just a rabble rouser, and has a delusional view on how things work...more interested in how much schit he can kick up. So not the best option in my opinion, because he'll leave everyone else to pick up the pieces in his wake when I comes to actually moving the country forward. Gove is a backstabbing, slimy twat. Imagine having to look at that face for 5 years.

So dunno who the best choice for PM would be
 
Hamish McPanji said:
I think it's more likely that the Tories would go for Boris as the leader or a proper Brexiteer or they will get decimated. Calling an election at this stage would be deemed assisted suicide. As much as politicians like legacies, destroying their own party is unlikely to be the legacy even a schit leader like May will want.

I'm actually on the remain side of the divide, but as soon as the populace voted for Brexit, and negotiation was involved, I wanted the most bastard Brexiteer in place to pursue Brexit purely to ensure the strongest Britain for my kids future. The Tory idiots decides to vote for a leader that makes Chamberlain look like a warmongering hawk.

So my opinion is that is if it happens , it should be a strong leader who makes it happen. However I prefer for it not to happen.

Farage is just a rabble rouser, and has a delusional view on how things work...more interested in how much schit he can kick up. So not the best option in my opinion, because he'll leave everyone else to pick up the pieces in his wake when I comes to actually moving the country forward. Gove is a backstabbing, slimy twat. Imagine having to look at that face for 5 years.

So dunno who the best choice for PM would be
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I reckon that house speaker that says "ORDER, ORDER" should be PM
 
Pitbull said:
I thought the Brexit Party is here to stay and contest the next election in the UK too?
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The Brexit party will be pointless after Brexit happens, no? The party has no policies other than its desire for the United Kingdom to leave the European Union without a withdrawal agreement.
 
Hamish McPanji said:
I think it's more likely that the Tories would go for Boris as the leader or a proper Brexiteer or they will get decimated. Calling an election at this stage would be deemed assisted suicide. As much as politicians like legacies, destroying their own party is unlikely to be the legacy even a schit leader like May will want.

I'm actually on the remain side of the divide, but as soon as the populace voted for Brexit, and negotiation was involved, I wanted the most bastard Brexiteer in place to pursue Brexit purely to ensure the strongest Britain for my kids future. The Tory idiots decides to vote for a leader that makes Chamberlain look like a warmongering hawk.

So my opinion is that is if it happens , it should be a strong leader who makes it happen. However I prefer for it not to happen.

Farage is just a rabble rouser, and has a delusional view on how things work...more interested in how much schit he can kick up. So not the best option in my opinion, because he'll leave everyone else to pick up the pieces in his wake when I comes to actually moving the country forward. Gove is a backstabbing, slimy twat. Imagine having to look at that face for 5 years.

So dunno who the best choice for PM would be
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If you want the strongest Britain for your kids' future, a bastard Brexiteer (assuming this means someone who barn-storms into a hard Brexit?) is the last thing you want.

A compromise (still in customs union, single market etc.) is probably the best you can hope for.
 
Michael Heseltine: Conservative peer has party whip suspended after saying he will vote for Liberal Democrats

‘Endorsing candidates of another party is not compatible with taking the Conservative whip in parliament,’ says Tory spokesperson

Jon Sharman

Michael Heseltine has had the Conservative Party whip suspended after saying he would vote for the Liberal Democrats in this week’s European parliament elections.

The Tory peer’s comments led to calls for him to be expelled from the party.

Lord Heseltine, a former deputy prime minister, said it was a “matter of conscience” and that he wanted to vote for a candidate who would oppose Brexit.

“I cannot, with a clear conscience, vote for my party when it is myopically focused on forcing through the biggest act of economic self-harm ever undertaken by a democratic government,” he said in an article in the Sunday Times.

His call for the Conservatives to move back to the political centre ground was supported by former PM Sir John Major.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ive-party-whip-eu-election-vote-a8922751.html
 
BBSA said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1131220344453455872

Make sense, no point for her to say.
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Yeah I don't think that will happen tonight. Like a limpet she will stay on until at least the week of the 3rd of June...

https://twitter.com/x/status/1131239795911516160

And I'm not holding much hope for their next leader since the Tory left are obsessed with choosing some bland non-entity as their "leader" and are very determined to stop Boris or Dominic Raab. Remember the Tory left chose May so that's all you need to know about their apparent political nous.
 
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