The Brexit Thread

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JayM said:
It should be noted that she's done a 180 on the EU and Euro though. She no longer wants France to leave either.
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What's the actual advantage of "winning" anyway? You get the most seats, but doesn't actually mean you won anything. Par example, ALDE seems to have won this. (Depending on number of seats, of course)
 
Hamish McPanji said:
What's the actual advantage of "winning" anyway? You get the most seats, but doesn't actually mean you won anything. Par example, ALDE seems to have won this. (Depending on number of seats, of course)
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Not much, other than having more say on matters in European Parliament. And a cushy salary for doing next to nothing.
 
JayM said:
Not much, other than having more say on matters in European Parliament. And a cushy salary for doing next to nothing.
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Not all the people do next to nothing. It's the ones who bitch too much about Europe who take that particular prize
 
Alastair Campbell expelled from Labour over EU election vote

One of the biggest Downing Street figures from the 1997 landslide government, he promises to appeal the decision.

By Aubrey Allegretti, political reporter

Tuesday 28 May 2019 15:11, UK

From Monday: Alastair Campbell berates 'shameful' Labour EU election

Former Labour spin doctor Alastair Campbell has been expelled from the party after admitting to voting Liberal Democrat in the European elections last week.

He said he was "sad and disappointed" at the move given the leadership "finally seems to be moving to the right place on Brexit".

"I was not intending to publicise this at this stage, but have had calls from friends in the party telling me it is now widely known and likely to be leaked," the pro-second referendum campaigner explained.
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https://news.sky.com/story/alastair-campbell-expelled-from-labour-over-eu-election-support-11730108
 
The funny thing is the Tory Brexiteers are unlikely to get their way in parliament re Brexit with the current speaker (Rt Hon John Bercow) presiding.

The only way to get rid of the speaker is by dissolving parliament...which probably means a general election. If they do that, both Labour and Cons risk losing seats to other parties, meaning they are gambling for their political lives.

Would any of these guys have the balls to put country over self in these circumstances?
 
Conservatives and Labour are supposed to be backing the leavers are they not ?

Granted they are both running round like headless chickens trying to define what Brexit means.
 
daveza said:
Conservatives and Labour are supposed to be backing the leavers are they not ?

Granted they are both running round like headless chickens trying to define what Brexit means.
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Labour are backing another referendum now rather than backing brexit.

Labour deputy leader Tom Watson has said his party lost "many hundreds of thousands" of potential votes in the EU elections because of its Brexit stance.

He argued that confusion over holding a referendum on any deal had led to "electoral catastrophe", after Labour's share of the vote fell to 14%.

But he welcomed leader Jeremy Corbyn saying the party was "ready to support a public vote on any deal".

"Of course we want a general election, but realistically, after [the European election results] last night there aren't many Tory MPs who're going to vote for a general election," he said.

"It would be like turkeys voting for Christmas, so our best way of doing that is going back to the people in a referendum."
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48419144
 
daveza said:
Conservatives and Labour are supposed to be backing the leavers are they not ?

Granted they are both running round like headless chickens trying to define what Brexit means.
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Less than a third of Labour supporters voted for leave.
You could match that with the % of MPs that support leave. Maybe 30 or 40 of them in total, less than 20% . So how are you designating the whole party as "Pro Brexiters", I don't know

Its central estimate for the 2017 election was that 30% of Labour voters had voted Leave in the referendum. Labour received 12,877,918 votes in that election - 30% of that would be 3.9 million.

As this figure is based on a survey, there is a margin of error involved. In this case it is four percentage points, so the survey estimate is actually between 26% and 34% - between 3.3 million and 4.4 million.

"Nigel Farage's figure suggests that almost one third of Leave voters were Labour supporters, but the reality is that almost one third of Labour supporters voted Leave, which is, of course, not the same thing," said Prof Jane Green, co-director of the British Election Study.

The BES figure is somewhat higher than the estimate from Ipsos-Mori , which put it at 24%, or 3.1 million.


Image captionKate Hoey MP was originally involved with Labour Leave but later was one of the founders of Grassroots Out

Lord Ashcroft Polls conducted a poll on election night in 2017 in which 25% of those who said they had voted Leave in 2016, said they had voted Labour - that would be 3.2 million.

The latest estimate from Comres is that 26% of those who voted Labour in 2017 voted Leave in 2016 - that's 3.3 million people.

And YouGov reckons that 29% of those who voted Labour in 2017 and voted in the EU Referendum, voted Leave - that's about 3.5 million.
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daveza said:
Conservatives and Labour are supposed to be backing the leavers are they not ?

Granted they are both running round like headless chickens trying to define what Brexit means.
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Both parties have MP’s that backed both leave and remain. The only difference being that a greater portion of Conservatives backed leave and a greater portion of Labour backed remain. Nobody including Labour knows whether Jeremy Corbin backs leave or remain. The only certainty about Corbin is that he backs Hamas :)

The smaller parties are all either fully leave or fully remain.
 
Both sides can spin the numbers to suit themselves, the bottom line remains the same.

The people had a vote, leave won, now get on with it.

Best of three is not an option.
 
daveza said:
I don't have a side.

But where in the world do you get a vote do-over just because the losing side doesn't like the result ?
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Well, the "winning side" don't seem to be able to get it over the line. Considering that they have an almost majority in parliament, should have been a cinch. The devil is in the details. That's what people seem to forget.

It's not just dropping a form at the EU counter, saying I'm leaving...like they made it sound like

It's like how SA voted for EWC. When they come for your house, you will evacuate peacefully with a smile on your face? Let's remind you, the main non EWC party got 3-4% .
 
daveza said:
I don't have a side.

But where in the world do you get a vote do-over just because the losing side doesn't like the result ?
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I’m sure there have been reruns of referendums previously, especially those that were only advisory and not legally binding.

Didn’t Switzerland recently completely cancel the result of a referendum and order a rerun?
 
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