Yeah, it's a democracy and unfortunately the terrorists in the minority don't really subscribe to that point of view.
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Yeah, it's a democracy and unfortunately the terrorists in the minority don't really subscribe to that point of view.
Pitbull
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Was never really about religion, it just seemed that way as the north is mainly Protestant and the and RI mainly Catholic. It was Unionists vs Nationalists.
RI wanted a unified Ireland free from Britain, and the north wanted to remain British. So they fought amongst themselves.
I think it's pretty close to 50% support for reunification now. If Brexit is bad enough, there could be enough support in the north to get it over the line. Support in the Republic is already over 60%, even though Ireland could probably not afford it.
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Fok, this and all threads can end now, all world problems solved
Lets ship you immediately over there to tell the Catholics and Protestants and lets see how they come around.Ok funnies aside but a lot of world problems could be quickly solved if your advice could be achieved.
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Exactly. What happened all that time ago, was the Nationalists (Mainly Catholic), feeling they are being oppressed by the rule of the Unionists AKA UK (Mainly Protestant). The situation then escalated and we had the early 1900 issues. Some "Nationalists" (Terrorists) tried to re-ignite that again in the late 60s, it caught me momentum and eventually drew to an end in 1998 iirc.
Think of it as the situation in the Cape Flats now. You have "Gangs" on both sides and civilians gets caught in the middle. In recent history I think in total (deaths attributed to these type of attacks) are probably less than a 100 in the last 20 odd years. Fark, we have more than that in a single year
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The religious tribalism goes 100s of years back. I'm sure religion is mixed up in it especially for the IRA.
I actually agree with their idea of an independent unified Ireland and kicking the British out. Just not the terrorist tactics.
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Another poll for the "everyone hates Boris" brigade. Don't get fooled by the Limp Dumbs being so close, their vote is highly concentrated in urban liberal areas and thus they will get very few seats. Almost no working class people vote for the Limp Dumbs, hence providing a ceiling for their support. More importantly the Remain Vote is getting split between SNP/Labour/Limp Dumbs/Green.
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With all types of "Wars" they need some type of propaganda. It's not a religious issue per sê, Similarly how the Mulsims use their faith as a tool to justify their terror and using it for recruitment.
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You were the one that said it's Irelands problem, not the UK
Exactly. What happened all that time ago, was the Nationalists (Mainly Catholic), feeling they are being oppressed by the rule of the Unionists AKA UK (Mainly Protestant). The situation then escalated and we had the early 1900 issues. Some "Nationalists" (Terrorists) tried to re-ignite that again in the late 60s, it caught me momentum and eventually drew to an end in 1998 iirc.
Think of it as the situation in the Cape Flats now. You have "Gangs" on both sides and civilians gets caught in the middle. In recent history I think in total (deaths attributed to these type of attacks) are probably less than a 100 in the last 20 odd years. Fark, we have more than that in a single year
Sorry, you have the bones of it but it's much deeper than you suggest. Communities are split apartheid style since the army deployed there in the late 60s and the mistrust and resentment has gone no where. It's there, now today and I am not being dramatic when I say it will never leave until one side or the other wipes the other one out.
The communities are split down religious lines and it is not a generalisation to say that Unionist = Protestant and Nationalist = Catholic. It is a fact. It's about religion and it's irrevocably linked with the sovereignty of the place.
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Which it will be. It will be up to NI/RI to decide what they want. If RI wants to stay free from the UK, Hard border it will be between NI and RI. It's not really the UK's problem. It's the Irish who will have to sort their house
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It's not solely a religious issue, but they didn't properly kick out state religion and embraced religious freedom, So they are still fighting about which is the correct one that people should follow in the background.
And seems like the church of England is sitting on the fence here.
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Because of the Good Friday Agreement which is now at risk
Limp dumbs? Man you're like a five year old in the playground rubbing it into his pal because he beat his pal at conkers.
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I can only comment as an outsider. I'm not Irish, nor have I got any Irish family/friends. It could well be deeper, way deeper.
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You literally just said that Brexit was about the UK wanting control over their borders - but you also say except not the Irish border, which you say is up to Ireland? How is the UK in control of their border if you're leaving that part up to the Irish? OK, so a hard border - goodbye Belfast Agreement then...
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Please read the 271 farking pages of this thread. Not going to rewash old laundry. This has been covered before.
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It's my background and was a large part of my younger life. It's ridiculous but I grew up on one side of this and have found it difficult to escape it. Even as an atheist I still find it hard not to identify as one of these religions due to this conflict, and still somewhat carry the baggage that comes with it today.
Getting only 25% of the vote when Corbyn is the opposition really says a lot about inept he is. Cameron (!) got 37%.
Johnson knows he'll lose an election, so he won't call one. Current polling and electoral calculus predicts the following #seats if an election were to be held right now:
Lab 284, Con 215, LD 53, SNP 39, Brex 37, PC 3, Grn 1
It's about religion in so much as you identify with one or the other and that in turn dictates your political views. You are Protestant/Unionist or Catholic/Republican. The relgion comes first and the politics follows.
Catholics from NI can choose to carry an Irish or British passport and many carry the Irish one. And on the other side, it is said that the Protestants of Northern Ireland are more British than the English. Indeed the official flag of the country is the Union Flag.
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