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The Voice said:
Could argue that as the UK no longer has access to EU funding to process asylum seekers (including housing them, etc, until decision are made) as part of the Dublin Regulation, it may even be easier to send them back to where they came from (the EU). Also, I imagine our mandatory quota for the number of refugees we HAVE to take in every year falls away as we're no longer a member state?
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It’s absolutely nothing to do with the EU. It’s in terms of the UN’s 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and to the 1967 protocol.

Another Brexit red herring ;)
 
Dave said:
It’s absolutely nothing to do with the EU. It’s in terms of the UN’s 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and to the 1967 protocol.

Another Brexit red herring ;)
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Ah ok, cheers for clarifying.
 
Dave said:
Possibly, but it might also make the UK look stupid if it’s judged to be illegal under international law (which a few commentators feel it is) or requiring an agreement with the prior safe countries to accept returns (post Brexit will France be all that amenable to the idea?).
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Wait, let me understand this?

You are saying that if an illegal comes to your country/border from an already safe country, you have no choice but to accept it? I'm pretty sure, you are 100% within your right to send refugees back to the previous country of origin if that country itself is also a safe country? Has always been the directive. There is a First country of Asylum stipulation by the UN. I'm not versed in it but I have seen documentaries where asylum seekers are returned to the country of origin on a return flight if it was deemed a country "safe" for asylum. And that country neglected it's duty or something to that effect.

You can't flee for the reason of "safety" and then run through multiple "safe" countries to get to one with better benefits? Makes no sense what so ever.
 
Pitbull said:
You are saying that if an illegal comes to your country/border from an already safe country, you have no choice but to accept it? I'm pretty sure, you are 100% within your right to send refugees back to the previous country of origin if that country itself is also a safe country?
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Neither the 1951 Refugee Convention nor EU law requires a refugee to claim asylum in one country rather than another.

There is no rule requiring refugees to claim in the first safe country in which they arrive.
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www.amnesty.org.uk

The truth about… refugees

Europe’s refugee crisis is getting worse, and if you listen to government ministers and many other political commentators, constitutes a dire threat.
www.amnesty.org.uk www.amnesty.org.uk

Article 32
Expulsion
1. The Contracting States shall not expel a refugee lawfully in their territory save on grounds of national security or public order.
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cms.unhcr.org


Pitbull said:
There is a First country of Asylum stipulation by the UN.
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I’d like a bit more info on what that is, would you mind posting a few pointers? Especially how that would work with reference to Article 32 of the Convention posted above.
 
Pitbull said:
Wait, let me understand this?

You are saying that if an illegal comes to your country/border from an already safe country, you have no choice but to accept it? I'm pretty sure, you are 100% within your right to send refugees back to the previous country of origin if that country itself is also a safe country? Has always been the directive. There is a First country of Asylum stipulation by the UN. I'm not versed in it but I have seen documentaries where asylum seekers are returned to the country of origin on a return flight if it was deemed a country "safe" for asylum. And that country neglected it's duty or something to that effect.

You can't flee for the reason of "safety" and then run through multiple "safe" countries to get to one with better benefits? Makes no sense what so ever.
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country of origin becomes very difficult to trace when passports are thrown away. And these asylum seekers don't really have much travel history if you want to track them by names or whatever information they tell (if they tell real names that is). And I doubt if these people come from countries that keep detail biometric information either (and if they do, would they share?)
 
Vorastra said:
Absolute state of Labour.

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Labour essentially fish for votes from two completely irreconcilable groups:

1. Middle-class students / recent students and ethnic minorities in major cities

2. White working-class social conservatives from deindustrialised and left behind towns

This latter group are leaving them in droves and the former group just aren’t large enough a group to win more than a handful of seats in London and university cities.

Why is the latter group leaving them? Partly Brexit but in my opinion more to do with the obsession of the Labour Party with ‘progressive’ politics. How can you win votes in traditional towns by telling people in extreme poverty they have white privilege?

The topics the Labour Party obsesses over - Palestine, gender-neutral toilets, institutional racism, patriarchy - have no pull in these ‘red wall’ constituencies. In fact, they’re an active push and they will be in electoral oblivion until the end of the decade at least unless public opinion changes massively or they drop what many in these areas sees as anti-British, patronising non-issues.
 
Total exports of goods increased in March 2021, with increases seen in trade with both EU and non-EU countries. Total imports of goods also increased in March 2021, with increases seen across both EU and non-EU countries

UK trade - Office for National Statistics

Total value of UK exports and imports of goods and services by current price, chained volume measures and implied deflators.
www.ons.gov.uk
 
AdrianH said:
Total exports of goods increased in March 2021, with increases seen in trade with both EU and non-EU countries. Total imports of goods also increased in March 2021, with increases seen across both EU and non-EU countries

UK trade - Office for National Statistics

Total value of UK exports and imports of goods and services by current price, chained volume measures and implied deflators.
www.ons.gov.uk
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How is year on year though? Increases can look great if previous months have been abysmal.
 
AdrianH said:
Total exports of goods increased in March 2021, with increases seen in trade with both EU and non-EU countries. Total imports of goods also increased in March 2021, with increases seen across both EU and non-EU countries

UK trade - Office for National Statistics

Total value of UK exports and imports of goods and services by current price, chained volume measures and implied deflators.
www.ons.gov.uk
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Its almost as if decrease/increase of imports and exports are directly correlated with lockdown closing/opening business, trade and economy. Almost. ;)
InB4 *insert remoaner 'but mah brexit' screeching*
 
Temujin said:
Its almost as if decrease/increase of imports and exports are directly correlated with lockdown closing/opening business, trade and economy. Almost. ;)
InB4 *insert remoaner 'but mah brexit' screeching*
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Having no dog in this fight (because it doesn't affect me either way) but having many relatives in UK I am curious about Brexit. I see you are taunting someone here but who are you taunting and what for?
 
surface said:
Having no dog in this fight (because it doesn't affect me either way) but having many relatives in UK I am curious about Brexit. I see you are taunting someone here but who are you taunting and what for?
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It's his imaginary frenemies... In his head they say "Brexit caused economic issues" and then he comes in with the killer argument "No! It was the lockdowns" and the crowd cheers
 
C4Cat said:
It's his imaginary frenemies... In his head they say "Brexit caused economic issues" and then he comes in with the killer argument "No! It was the lockdowns" and the crowd cheers
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ah ok. Tbh, I am rather biased by the utter idiot brexit supporters that I have listened to on James OBrien show but I suspect there is a common factor between T-rumpus supporters & brexit supporters. Both sides claim to be "nationalist" with uk flavor as sovereign-tea whereas usa tends to be confederates. Both sides have absolutely no idea what their leaders have done to earn their "respect" but they stick to them like limpets. Both sides have huge distaste of foreigners, more hatred reserved for the brown ones. And so on.
 
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