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The Voice said:
It was a hint at the cosmopolitan nature of the city, and how minorities now make up a large portion of its population - the majority of whom probably voted for Khan a) because he was a prominent Labour figure and b) because he was a Muslim (who else would the Muslims have voted for, if not one of their own?). Electing him instead of "generic white guy X" was a step forward for the city, and indeed the country in a way.
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Except of course the other candidate wasn't "generic white guy X", it was posh toff, Eton educated, son of a billionaire, prominent Tory politician Zac Goldsmith...
 
The Voice said:
I imagine the fact that "White British" no longer makes up the majority demographic in the capital had something to do with it. Thing to remember with London is that because of it's cosmopolitan nature it's hugely liberal, and swings heavily to the left (election results were mostly Labour and we have a Muslim mayor), whereas the rest of the country comes across as more Conservative - the referendum results mostly backed that up.
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Yeah, odd ain't it. The more people have to do with diverse groups of people the less likely they are to embrace xenophobia.

Similar to how the states in the US with the least immigrants are most likely to be anti-immigrant.

The Voice said:
It was a hint at the cosmopolitan nature of the city, and how minorities now make up a large portion of its population - the majority of whom probably voted for Khan a) because he was a prominent Labour figure and b) because he was a Muslim (who else would the Muslims have voted for, if not one of their own?). Electing him instead of "generic white guy X" was a step forward for the city, and indeed the country in a way.
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Why do you think London's Muslims would vote for someone purely because they're Muslim?
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Why do you think London's Muslims would vote for someone purely because they're Muslim?
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Because he'd seem more inclined to keep their interests at heart. London probably has the largest concentration of Muslims in the country (local and foreign - East Londistan), and if there were two candidates but one shared my beliefs/ideologies, it'd be obvious who I'd vote for. I reckon it was also a PC vote tbh. Brown AND Muslim?! Get him in there!
 
The Voice said:
Because he'd seem more inclined to keep their interests at heart. London probably has the largest concentration of Muslims in the country (local and foreign - East Londistan), and if there were two candidates but one shared my beliefs/ideologies, it'd be obvious who I'd vote for. I reckon it was also a PC vote tbh. Brown AND Muslim?! Get him in there!
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So you don't think the million Muslims living in London have any political beliefs beyond being Muslim? And people can't think he's a competent public servant? No, it has to be PC? Geeze.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
So you don't think the million Muslims living in London have any political beliefs beyond being Muslim? And people can't think he's a competent public servant? No, it has to be PC? Geeze.
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Especially as he is a "westernised" moderate who is quite secular in his administration, you'd think the radical Islamist Muslims (aren't they the majority according to many posts here) would be boycotting him...
 
Dave said:
Especially as he is a "westernised" moderate who is quite secular in his administration, you'd think the radical Islamist Muslims (aren't they the majority according to many posts here) would be boycotting him...
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He's shared platforms with hate preachers in the past - not exactly "moderate".

Of course, there's the fact that minorities tend to flock to Labour, anyway. I'm pretty sure he would've won even if he was a Tory.

It's all part of the plan to disintegrate the West from within, didn't you know?
 
OrbitalDawn said:
So you don't think the million Muslims living in London have any political beliefs beyond being Muslim? And people can't think he's a competent public servant? No, it has to be PC? Geeze.
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http://blog.dilbert.com/post/154768183356/how-to-be-unpersuasive
The “So” Tell: When you see an argument on the Internet that begins with the word “So…” you can be sure that what follows is a mischaracterization of the other side’s point followed by sarcasm and derision over the mischaracterization (but not the actual point). The sarcasm and derision are good persuasion because they act as an emotional penalty for maintaining the opinion that is under fire. But generally the “so…” structure of an argument causes both parties to debate the characterization versus debating the actual point.
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It is one of the great ironies of Brexit that the United Kingdom’s messy divorce from Europe, sold as an effort to reclaim parliamentary sovereignty, has instead delivered its opposite. Last Monday, the House of Commons voted in the early stages of the European Union Withdrawal Bill to give the government sweeping powers to make laws without parliamentary scrutiny. These powers are named after Henry VIII, England’s most authoritarian monarch, but they in fact bear a greater resemblance to Hitler’s Enabling Act of 1933, which allowed the Fuhrer to bypass the Reichstag and govern by proclamation.

Allusions to Nazi Germany are generally overwrought, but this is no exaggeration: Prime Minister Theresa May does not have an absolute majority in the British Parliament, just as Hitler didn’t in the Reichstag in 1933, which is why she has been forced to resort to his strategy. If the withdrawal bill is passed as it stands, May will be able to make laws by decree and reverse and adapt primary legislation without consulting Parliament. It is the greatest attack on the British constitution in at least a century. Parliamentary sovereignty—the very thing that Brexiteers said they were voting for in leaving the E.U.—may be about to be vastly reduced by a cabal of right-wing Conservatives who say they are obeying the people’s will. Such power grabs, of course, are always done in the name of the people. The full title of the 1933 Enabling Act was “The law to remedy the distress of the people and the state.”
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/theresa-may-takes-her-darkest-most-desperate-turn-yet


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_(Withdrawal)_Bill
 
lol nazi scaremongering. Desperate times.

The real irony is the regressives suddenly having an issue with authoritarianism when one of the reasons they advocated staying was because unelected bureaucrats in Brussels would protect welfare benefits from the British electorate.
 
Michel Barnier Is the playground bully. The best thing for Britain is to turn its back and walk away from talks.
Only Britain can decide what it will contribute in finality.
 
Alan said:
lol nazi scaremongering. Desperate times.

The real irony is the regressives suddenly having an issue with authoritarianism when one of the reasons they advocated staying was because unelected bureaucrats in Brussels would protect welfare benefits from the British electorate.
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Yeah, remember when Trump was literally Hitler.
 
konfab said:
Yeah, remember when Trump was literally Hitler.
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The power grab by Brussels is preferable to one by right wing conservatives in London because at least the EU bureaucrats are big on welfare benefits. You know like the nazis......
 
Alan said:
The power grab by Brussels is preferable to one by right wing conservatives in London because at least the EU bureaucrats are big on welfare benefits. You know like the nazis......
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:crylaugh:

Have you been reading The Big Lie, by any chance?
 
Xarog said:
:crylaugh:

Have you been reading The Big Lie, by any chance?
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Nope. If you want to know why bringing up the ludicrous comparison to the rise of Nazism would be more in line with the EU bureaucrats may I suggest you read
Hitler's Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi Welfare State by Götz Aly. It offers a detailed study of the extensive Nazi welfare programs.
 
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