The Brexit Thread

[f2wohf]

Lawyers are starting to register at the Irish bar to be able to keep their EU clients.

 

[f2wohf]

May and Juncker will make a joint statement at 4:50 Brussels time (in 3 minutes).

 

[buka001]

May and Juncker will make a joint statement at 4:50 Brussels time (in 3 minutes).

Seems like some big concessions for NI. Looks like it may have its own separate agreement (stay in common market etc).

Mayor of London is getting excited.

 

[Dave]

Seems like some big concessions for NI. Looks like it may have its own separate agreement (stay in common market etc).

Mayor of London is getting excited.

As are the Scottish and Welsh, this special arrangement looks like it’s going to blow up in DisMay’s face.

 

[Dave]

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has said Scotland should be allowed to "effectively stay in the single market" following reports that Northern Ireland and the Republic could maintain regulatory alignment after Brexit.

A leaked draft of plans for the Irish border after Brexit showed British and Irish officials had agreed proposals that would effectively keep Northern Ireland in both the single market and customs union after Brexit by retaining EU regulations - unlike the rest of the UK.

The SNP leader seized on the news as a sign that Scotland could also remain in the EU trade agreements after Britain leaves the bloc, something the pro-independence party has been pushing for since the referendum.

Mr Jones, the Welsh Labour leader, said: "We cannot allow different parts of the UK to be more favourably treated than others.

"If one part of the UK is granted continued participation in the Single Market & Customs Union, then we fully expect to be made the same offer."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...market-customs-union-snp-border-a8090881.html

 

[f2wohf]

Apparently nothing:

 

[f2wohf]

As are the Scottish and Welsh, this special arrangement looks like it’s going to blow up in DisMay’s face.

Apparently, May was ready to leave Northern Ireland within the EU borders but when learning this, the DUP called her at lunch time and was threatening to break May’s majority should she proceed.

So she backed out.

 

[buka001]

Apparently, May was ready to leave Northern Ireland within the EU borders but when learning this, the DUP called her at lunch time and was threatening to break May’s majority should she proceed.

So she backed out.

Something strange going on, unless May is a really poor and naïve negotiator.

Everyone knows of DUP's position regarding the border. Did she push this to force a breakdown in talks?

 

[Dave]

Something strange going on, unless May is a really poor and naïve negotiator.

Everyone knows of DUP's position regarding the border. Did she push this to force a breakdown in talks?

I think along with Davis and BoJo she’s totally out of her depth and has absolutely no clue what she’s doing.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

I think along with Davis and BoJo she’s totally out of her depth and has absolutely no clue what she’s doing.

Well...

Ireland's govt 'told to ignore Boris Johnson' by Foreign Office

Boris Johnson is being actively undermined by officials within his own department over Brexit negotiations, it can be revealed.

Sky News has learnt that Foreign Office officials told Ireland's Government "not to listen to whatever he had to say" ahead of Mr Johnson's visit to Dublin a few weeks ago.

Extraordinarily, officials in Whitehall were very open with their counterparts in the Irish capital to "ignore the public utterances" of Britain's chief diplomat.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

lol...

David Davis has admitted the UK Government has done no impact assessments for the implications of Brexit on sectors of the British economy.

Despite having previously indicated that work had been undertaken, Mr Davis accepted in public that there is “no such systematic impact assessment”.

The Brexit Secretary also said no formal impact assessment had been undertaken into the effect of leaving the EU customs union before the Cabinet took the decision to withdraw.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

The Brexit Secretary also said no formal impact assessment had been undertaken into the effect of leaving the EU customs union before the Cabinet took the decision to withdraw.

As if it was their decision to make, the people voted, end of story.

It's an ironic admission of oversight though; Davis was on the remain side, as was most of his peers. So they campaigned aggressively against brexit without a formal impact assessment. Sounds about right ...

 

[f2wohf]

As if it was their decision to make, the people voted, end of story.

It's an ironic admission of oversight though; Davis was on the remain side, as was most of his peers. So they campaigned aggressively against brexit without a formal impact assessment. Sounds about right ...

No, they could have remained within the custom union without being part of the EU.

Switzerland is.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

No, they could have remained within the custom union without being part of the EU.

Switzerland is.

Impossible to sell to their citizens when the whole brexit saga was built on being independent and strengthening borders etc etc
While technically they could leave the EU and not the customs union, politically they cannot do anything of the sort in light of the issues that resulted in the brexit vote.

 

[f2wohf]

UK has capitulated on pretty much every point.

If someone can find an item where they got what they wanted?

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/joint_report.pdf

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

UK has capitulated on pretty much every point.
If someone can find an item where they got what they wanted?
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/sites/beta-political/files/joint_report.pdf

Is it worth paying any attention at all to a "phase 1 progress report" though? 15 useless pages of drivel, gotta love bureaucracy!

I mean it contains glaringly obvious paragraphs of zero value, such as:

On ongoing Union administrative proceedings both Parties have deepened their
understanding of the respective positions, and explored some areas, such as
competition, state aid and examinations of the Community Plant Variety Office.

Wake me up when they actually agree on something pertinent.

 

[f2wohf]

Is it worth paying any attention at all to a "phase 1 progress report" though? 15 useless pages of drivel, gotta love bureaucracy!

I mean it contains glaringly obvious paragraphs of zero value, such as:


Wake me up when they actually agree on something pertinent.

You’ve never been in a serious negotiation, have you?

If it is a “joint report” from the negotiators, it means that these positions (not necessarily the details attached to it) are agreed and it is in principle sorted.

If it was not agreed in principle, it would not be in the joint report, or mentioned as an item still in discussion.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

You’ve never been in a serious negotiation, have you?

Many times, at one stage it was part of my day job. You seem to be using the word "serious" as a synonym for bureaucratic bullshyte though. You do not need joint reports or phases that span multiple months for something to qualify as a "serious" negotiation, that's all just a massive waste of time.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

No, they could have remained within the custom union without being part of the EU.

Switzerland is.

We don't want freedom of movement. Get that in your head.

You obviously also didn't read the 2017 GE manifesto of the Conservatives who said we are leaving the SM and the CU.

 

[f2wohf]

Many times, at one stage it was part of my day job. You seem to be using the word "serious" as a synonym for bureaucratic bullshyte though. You do not need joint reports or phases that span multiple months for something to qualify as a "serious" negotiation, that's all just a massive waste of time.

In government work, it is actually the way to proceed (as it involves the people too, supposedly at least).

Look at the process of every single international treaty negotiation.

If having for the first time in this negotiation terms of reference is a bureaucratic bullshyte for you, I don’t know how you negotiate...

PS: by serious, I meant other than negotiating a carpet or a souvenir in a flea market.