The Brexit Thread

[OrbitalDawn]

Apart from the fact that not paying something you committed to (including pensions of your civil servants) is being a bit of a crook...

He's a Farage supporter, so not too bothered by that, I'm guessing.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Yeah, that must be it. :crylaugh:

The only realistic things to pay is the stuff agreed to in the EU budget plan, which currently runs until 2020 and perhaps some infrastructure projects and pensions.

The entire notion of 'paying' for a free-trade agreement is of course absurd - Canada, AFAIK, is not paying a 'yearly fee' to the EU for their FTA.

 

[f2wohf]

He's a Farage supporter, so not too bothered by that, I'm guessing.

I’d love to see Farage moan about his EMP pension not being paid.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

Apart from the fact that not paying something you committed to (including pensions of your civil servants) is being a bit of a crook...

Let's also make it clear that the UK is/was one of the few net contributors towards the EU budget (https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/) so they will try maximise the divorce bill to put off the date when the over-burdened German and French taxpayers have to pay even more...

The bill is still much less than what was earlier claimed by the Remoaner side

Financial Times - 100 billion Euros - https://www.ft.com/content/29fc1abc-2fe0-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a
The Times - 50 billion pounds - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...y-50bn-brexit-bill-whatever-happens-vk63nhlb6

Etc etc.

 

[OrbitalDawn]

The only realistic things to pay is the stuff agreed to in the EU budget plan, which currently runs until 2020 and perhaps some infrastructure projects and pensions.

The entire notion of 'paying' for a free-trade agreement is of course absurd - Canada, AFAIK, is not paying a 'yearly fee' to the EU for their FTA.

Why on earth do you think the payment is for a free trade agreement?

 

[f2wohf]

Let's also make it clear that the UK is/was one of the few net contributors towards the EU budget (https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/) so they will try maximise the divorce bill to put off the date when the over-burdened German and French taxpayers have to pay even more...

The bill is still much less than what was earlier claimed by the Remoaner side

Financial Times - 100 billion Euros - https://www.ft.com/content/29fc1abc-2fe0-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a
The Times - 50 billion pounds - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...y-50bn-brexit-bill-whatever-happens-vk63nhlb6

Etc etc.

You missed a major part, there is a net and a gross bill. 40 billion is the net, 90/100 billion was the gross. The FT was actually rather close quoting a 100 billion € gross and 55/75 billion net.

https://www.ft.com/content/db2716aa-5026-11e7-a1f2-db19572361bb

What has being one of the net contributors to do with the settlement of financial obligations UK committed to? It’s two complete different things.

 

[Dave]

He's a Farage supporter

So should we club together and buy this for @Chris_the_Brit for Christmas?

 

[f2wohf]

https://www.economist.com/news/brit...sson-diplomacy-phase-one-brexit-talks-proving

Season 2 of Brexit starting!

Let’s hope somebody makes a sequel of Yes, Minister with the Brexit.

 

[f2wohf]

In exchange for the 40 billion, May would get an extra 2 years.

Which by miracle extends the transition period to... the next UK election.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...arantees-no-hard-border-for-ireland-2wvls5dfn

 

[OrbitalDawn]

https://www.economist.com/news/brit...sson-diplomacy-phase-one-brexit-talks-proving

Season 2 of Brexit starting!

Let’s hope somebody makes a sequel of Yes, Minister with the Brexit.

Been wondering how The Thick of It would handle it.

 

[JayM]

The only realistic things to pay is the stuff agreed to in the EU budget plan, which currently runs until 2020 and perhaps some infrastructure projects and pensions.

The entire notion of 'paying' for a free-trade agreement is of course absurd - Canada, AFAIK, is not paying a 'yearly fee' to the EU for their FTA.

The Canada deal is almost exclusively for goods, not services, which is by far the larger contributor to the UK economy.

 

[f2wohf]

 

[f2wohf]

Global powers lobby to stop special Brexit deal for UK

Theresa May’s hopes of securing a unique post-Brexit trade deal with the EU were under threat on Saturday night as Brussels said it was coming under international pressure to deny Britain special treatment.

After a week that saw May reach a deal with the EU that will allow Brexit talks to move forward on to future trade relations, EU officials insisted a bespoke deal more favourable to the UK than other non-EU nations was out of the question.

One EU source close to the talks said: “We have been approached by a number of [non-member] countries expressing concerns and making it clear that it would constitute a major problem for them if suddenly the UK were to get better terms than they get.”

The official said that once the UK is out of the single market and customs union in March 2019, there could be no replication of the terms of the current trading relationship, or anything close to it, and no special treatment.

“It is not just an indication of some strange rigid principle. It is because things won’t work,” he said.

“First and foremost we need to stick to this balance of rights and obligations, otherwise we will be undermining our own customs union and single market. Second, we cannot upset relations with other third countries,” the official said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...wers-lobby-to-stop-special-brexit-deal-for-uk

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Government loses key Brexit bill vote after Tory rebellion

The government has been narrowly defeated in a key vote on its Brexit bill after a rebellion by Tory MPs.

In a blow to Prime Minister Theresa May, MPs voted to give Parliament a legal guarantee of a vote on the final Brexit deal struck with Brussels.

The government had argued this would jeopardise its chances of delivering a smooth departure from the EU.

Despite a last-minute attempt to offer concessions to rebels, an amendment to the bill was backed by 309 to 305.

The government's first Commons defeat on Brexit came after opposition parties joined forces with Conservative rebels during a heated debate in the Chamber on the amendment.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Government loses key Brexit bill vote after Tory rebellion

That's awesome, the longer they dally the more likely hard brexit becomes

 

[f2wohf]

That's awesome, the longer they dally the more likely hard brexit becomes

They got a 2 years extension, remember...

 

[C4Cat]

That's awesome, the longer they dally the more likely [-] hard brexit becomes[/-] it doesn't happen at all

FTFY

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

They got a 2 years extension, remember...

No, they were offered an extension in exchange for a bribe in a deal that has not been ratified and now cannot be ratified without a parliamentary vote. The current draft exit bill also still confirms March 2019 as the date:

She indicated that the government was not dropping the amendment to the EU withdrawal bill fixing 29 March 2019 as Brexit day. Some Tories have criticised this on the grounds that it might stop the government seeking an extension if the negotiations over-run, and at one point it looked as if the goverment might drop the amendment, which will be put to a vote next week. But today May said:
We put that amendment down because we believe it’s important that we actually confirm and people have the confidence of knowing the date on which we will be leaving the European Union, which is March 29 2019.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/dec/11/theresa-may-statement-brexit-mps-commons-davis-seeks-to-heal-rift-with-ireland-over-brexit-deal-politics-live

So while there has been talk of an extension being on the table, right this second there is no such thing officially.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

FTFY

:crylaugh: as much as their own government is beyond desperate to avoid leaving the EU at all, even they had to eventually swallow the cold hard truth: the people want out, it will not change.

 

[C4Cat]

:crylaugh: as much as their own government is beyond desperate to avoid leaving the EU at all, even they had to eventually swallow the cold hard truth: the people want out, it will not change.

Yeah, it's already changed now that the actual implications of leaving are setting in...