The Brexit Thread

f2wohf

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What exactly is in the deal they plan on ratifying tomorrow?

A quick summary would be great.

1. Brexit bill of 39 billion euro;
2. ECJ jurisdiction over the Brexit agreements;
3. Status of EU citizens in UK and UK citizens in the EU: allowed to remain;
4. Irish border

I'm not sure if the 2 years potential extension will be part of tomorrow's document.

Once this is agreed, they start phase 2 of the negotiations.
 

FoXtroT

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1. Brexit bill of 39 billion euro;
2. ECJ jurisdiction over the Brexit agreements;
3. Status of EU citizens in UK and UK citizens in the EU: allowed to remain;
4. Irish border

I'm not sure if the 2 years potential extension will be part of tomorrow's document.

Once this is agreed, they start phase 2 of the negotiations.

Is that just for citizens currently located in either jurisdiction or for any new ones as well?
 

OrbitalDawn

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Nonsense. Follow the YouGov tracker on whether it "was right or wrong" to leave the EU. Barely moved despite the relentless 24/7 left-wing propaganda of the BBC (which is the British version of the SABC), Channel 4 etc.

That's hilariously stupid.

And you're wrong anyway, so thanks for proving C4Cat right.

Chris_the_Brit said:
Also on last night's vote (I do hope all the Tory rebels are deselected when the next election comes around). They're all just Lib Dems in disguise.

Wrong-think must be punished!

Chris_the_Brit said:
https://twitter.com/spikedonline/st...ded representative democracy for some reason?
 

f2wohf

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May in the House of Commons:

Prime Minister Theresa May speaking in the House of Commons: I want to thank Jean-Claude Junker and Donald Tusk for their constructive efforts, Friday’s Council has achieved my first priority of a reciprocal agreement on citizens’ rights #Brexit

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Theresa May: EU citizens living in the UK will have their rights enshrined in UK law and enforced by UK courts; UK citizens living in the EU will also have their rights protected #Brexit


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Theresa May: (financial settlement) the negotiations have bought the settlement down by a substantial amount, based on reasonable assumptions it is estimated to stand at about £35 and £39 billion #Brexit

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Theresa May: (Northern Ireland) we have committed to maintaining the Common Travel Area, to uphold the Belfast Agreement in full, and to avoid a hard border, while upholding the constitutional and economic integrity of the whole UK #Brexit
 

The_Assimilator

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Looks like that's the end of it for London.


UK cannot have a special deal for the City, says EU's Brexit negotiator


The Guardian said:
Britain cannot have a special deal for the City of London, the European Union’s chief Brexit negotiator has told the Guardian, dealing a blow to Theresa May’s hopes of securing a bespoke trade agreement with the bloc.

Michel Barnier said it was unavoidable that British banks and financial firms would lose the passports that allow them to trade freely in the EU, as a result of any decision to quit the single market.

“There is no place [for financial services]. There is not a single trade agreement that is open to financial services. It doesn’t exist.” He said the outcome was a consequence of “the red lines that the British have chosen themselves. In leaving the single market, they lose the financial services passport.”

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The negotiator also said:

* A trade deal could be agreed within a two-year transition period, but would have to be ratified by more than 35 national and regional parliaments.
* The UK could not stop Brexit unilaterally, arguing that overturning the decision to leave would require the consent of 27 EU member states – a view at odds with one of the authors of article 50, Lord Kerr.
* The UK must follow all rules and regulations of the EU during the transition period, including new laws passed after the UK has left.
* The UK could negotiate trade agreements with the rest of the world during the transition, but they could not come into force.
 

The_Assimilator

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Oh look, more lies.

The Guardian said:
Ministers including Boris Johnson and Michael Gove are plotting to scrap the working time directive, according to numerous media reports. This is a crucial piece of EU law that protects working people – and which working people were promised would still apply after Brexit.

If Johnson and Gove succeed, 7 million workers could lose their guaranteed legal right to paid holidays. That includes nearly 5 million women and many workers on part-time and zero-hours contracts.
 

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Since these protections will become UK law due the bill taking current EU protections into UK law, it will take a vote in Parliament for Boris and Gove to get their way. So to say that Boris and Gove are planning to do away with these is incorrect. All they can do is ask Parliament. And if you know anything about British politics, you will know that that is no easy task. It should be pretty obvious by now that just because Boris and Gove are Tories, doesn’t mean Tories will back them. British politics hasn’t yet descended into the rubber stamp mode of countries like South Africa’s ANC or the US Republican Party.
 

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f2wohf

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I dunno bout you, but those all caps focus words in the title sure convinced me.

Nothing written in that useless “newspaper” (if it can even be called that) convinced me.

But it’s a reference news source for Brexiters, which is the fun part since they have now changed side it seems.
 

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Nothing written in that useless “newspaper” (if it can even be called that) convinced me.

But it’s a reference news source for Brexiters, which is the fun part since they have now changed side it seems.
They're tabloids. That's how they work. Flavour of the month kind of stuff.
 

f2wohf

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But, but, I thought that no deal was the best option!

https://amp.ft.com/content/7306b972-f49a-11e7-88f7-5465a6ce1a00?__twitter_impression=true

David Davis attacks EU’s ‘damaging’ no-deal Brexit planning
Minister’s letter to PM says Brussels guidance to companies is threat to UK interests

David Davis has consulted lawyers over the EU’s preparations for a no-deal Brexit, claiming Brussels’ planning is harming British business and breaching the UK’s rights as a member state.

In a letter sent to Theresa May, UK prime minister, last month and seen by the Financial Times, the Brexit secretary pointed to EU “measures” that could jeopardise existing contracts or force British companies to decamp to the continent if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Mr Davis said in the letter that he would ask the European Commission to revise its guidance to business so it highlights the potential for a future transition and trade deal.

But the demand drew accusations of hypocrisy from some British MPs, given that UK ministers have emphasised the extent of their own no-deal planning.

“The government is implicitly threatening a no-deal scenario,” said Pat McFadden, a Labour member of the Brexit select committee. “It should come as no surprise that the EU is also preparing for this possibility.”

Mr Davis said in his letter to Mrs May that the guidance from EU agencies sees the UK becoming a “third country” when it leaves the bloc in March 2019, without referring to the British government’s hopes of sealing a two-year transition period or trade deal.

Mr Davis said this treated the UK differently from other member states, even before it left the bloc, “in a way which is frequently damaging to UK interests”.

“The EU has adopted a number of measures that put agreements or contracts at risk of being terminated in the event of a ‘no deal’ scenario and/or would require UK companies to relocate to another member state,” Mr Davis said.

“The commission had issued similar unilateral statements on company law, civil justice and private international law, transport and the breeding, transportation and protection of live animals.”

The EU is unlikely to be open to revising its guidance to companies. Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, has repeatedly stressed that companies must prepare for the UK leaving the single market and customs union in 2019.

“On 29 March 2019 at midnight, the United Kingdom will cease to be a member state,” Mr Barnier said in November. “I don’t know if the whole truth has been explained to British businesses on the concrete consequences of Brexit.”

The UK government has insisted it would be prepared for a “no deal” Brexit if necessary. Philip Hammond, chancellor, set aside £3bn in last November’s Budget for preparations in the case of Britain leaving the EU without a deal.

“It seems extraordinary that the government is exercised about the EU preparing for a no deal scenario when it has set aside £3bn in its most recent Budget to do exactly the same thing,” said Mr McFadden.

Stephen Kinnock, another Labour MP, said the government was “naive” not to imagine that the EU would want to prepare for scenarios including a no-deal Brexit.

“The passive-aggressive tone of the letter demonstrates that the government doesn’t have a clue,” he said. “The relationship between the EU and UK does seem to be falling to pieces.”

An aide from the Department for Exiting the EU confirmed that the letter from Mr Davis to Mrs May was genuine.

“It’s clear there have been a number of instances where the commission, by treating the UK differently despite still being a member of the EU, have not acted in good faith,” the aide said. “It should be no surprise that if the commission attempt to stoke fears about worst-case scenarios. We will correct them and reassure our firms.”

Mr Davis wrote in his letter that the measures amounted to “potential breaches of the UK’s rights as a member” of the EU. He told the prime minister the government “cannot let these actions go unchallenged”.

However, Mr Davis added that he had sought legal advice from officials, only to be warned that any legal challenge would probably fail.

“Any legal action would also be high-risk politically and financially and may not conclude until after we exit,” he said.

While the EU is preparing its position to negotiate a “standstill” transition with the UK until 2021, negotiators in Brussels have stressed that businesses will have no “certainty” until a full withdrawal deal is agreed and ratified later this year or early next.
 
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