The Brexit Thread

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buka001 said:
I see Nigel farage is back tracking somewhat saying he never said that it would be beneficial for the UK to leave the EU.
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Source? Can't comment on what I haven't seen, but I expect it to be more nuanced than just that.

buka001 said:
Reality is hitting the UK very hard.
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The only reality that is hitting hard is the fact that those in charge of brexit never wanted brexit and will fight to the last second to avoid it. Hence every other bit of the mess that has transpired.
 
f2wohf said:
Serious news article vs your opinion.

I’ll take the news article, thanks.
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What?

You don't want to believe an Australian living in SA who's opinion is formed by going on holiday to the UK and loves the Queen and Jacob Rees-Mogg (in an unnatural way) can't have the best knowledge available on UK politics and Brexit?

I'm shocked!
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Source? Can't comment on what I haven't seen, but I expect it to be more nuanced than just that.


The only reality that is hitting hard is the fact that those in charge of brexit never wanted brexit and will fight to the last second to avoid it. Hence every other bit of the mess that has transpired.
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Said in an interview - Direct quote "I never said Brexit would be a huge success".

Reality is hitting UK hard. You just choose not to see what is happening.

I mean you cling to the ignorant, baseless trope that the UK has no self determination just to give your self validating view a semblance of relevance.
 
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buka001 said:
I mean you cling to the ignorant, baseless trope that the UK has no self determination just to keep your self validating view a semblance of relevance.
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Well, he is sitting 10,000km away in Cape Town getting all his info from the internet.

Have you been and read the tabloid newspaper websites? If that is the sole source of knowledge it's no wonder he ends up quite as ignorant as he is...
 
buka001 said:
Said in an interview - Direct quote "I never said Brexit would be a huge success".
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Translated: there are no guarantees, it is up to us. Nothing wrong with that factual statement.

buka001 said:
You just choose not to see what is happening.
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LOL, one of us isn't seeing what is happening. I see it perfectly fine, the pro-EU government of the UK is messing up brexit as much as they can, as predicted.

buka001 said:
I mean you cling to the ignorant, baseless trope that the UK has no self determination just to keep your self validating view a semblance of relevance.
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There are no "degrees" of self-determination, you either have it 100% or you shouldn't be talking about having it. If you're of the misguided opinion that they have 100% self-determination under the EU, well then you're just plain wrong.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Translated: there are no guarantees, it is up to us. Nothing wrong with that factual statement.


LOL, one of us isn't seeing what is happening. I see it perfectly fine, the pro-EU government of the UK is messing up brexit as much as they can, as predicted.


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There are no "degrees" of self-determination, you either have it 100% or you shouldn't be talking about having it. If you're of the misguided opinion that they have 100% self-determination under the EU, well then you're just plain wrong.
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Care to explain your theory how the UK does not have self-determination?
 
buka001 said:
Oh where you ignored the fact that the UK helped create such laws and chose to adopt such laws by not opting to veto such laws/directives?
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The British will have the pleasure of discovering the tasty British wine very soon once the borders are clogged because they don’t have enough border control agents.

I’m certain they will be delighted to not drink these horrendous surrendering french and unreliable Italian liquors.
 
f2wohf said:
The British will have the pleasure of discovering the tasty British wine very soon once the borders are clogged because they don’t have enough border control agents.

I’m certain they will be delighted to not drink these horrendous surrendering french and unreliable Italian liquors.
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Trade agreements will be made again after all the political grandstanding is done.
 
buka001 said:
Oh where you ignored the fact that the UK helped create such laws and chose to adopt such laws by not opting to veto such laws/directives?
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No, where you ignore the fact that some EU legislation is completely not optional to the UK, due to the very laws that I went as far as finding and linking for your convenience.

The extent to which they had a hand in creating those laws is irrelevant, the fact is they are powerless to reverse those laws without getting the rest of the EU on board ... i.e. not self-determination
 
f2wohf said:
The British will have the pleasure of discovering the tasty British wine very soon once the borders are clogged because they don’t have enough border control agents.

I’m certain they will be delighted to not drink these horrendous surrendering french and unreliable Italian liquors.
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Well they can just opt for superior quality wine from within the 'ol Commonwealth right here in South Africa ...
 
rietrot said:
Trade agreements will be made again after all the political grandstanding is done.
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And what’s happening for the period between Brexit and trade agreement while the trade agreements are being negotiated (remember negotiations can only start effectively after Brexit)?

How is the UK anyway going to train tens of thousands of border agents in such a short timeframe?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Well they can just opt for superior quality wine from within the 'ol Commonwealth right here in South Africa ...
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All the good from everywhere will be clogged, by lack of border agents...

I’m also not sure that the meager SA production can compensate the french, Italian and Spanish (three largest producers worldwide if my memory serves well).
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
No, where you ignore the fact that some EU legislation is completely not optional to the UK, due to the very laws that I went as far as finding and linking for your convenience.

The extent to which they had a hand in creating those laws is irrelevant, the fact is they are powerless to reverse those laws without getting the rest of the EU on board ... i.e. not self-determination
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Missing the point.

You are talking about laws/directives that have already been passed.

The UK has the power to influence such laws/directives, before they are passed. That is where they are able to assert their respective rights.

After the UK leave they will still have to abide by many of the EU directives if they have any hope of a trade deal. As does South Africa for example. It has to abide by EU directives for the naming of "sparkling wine".
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
And your reason to believe that just because something took 6 months previously it will continue to take 6 months when it becomes a critical success factor is ... ?
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If self determination and protecting the borders means untrained border agents, I don’t really see the point.

4 years for customs officers too, they are officers, the requirements can hardly be relaxed as it would be overturned by courts if they do not have the proper legal training.
 
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