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f2wohf said:
And the EU Parliament is elected by the people of the EU so he's indirectly elected.
Exactly like May...
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I see your whole line of bs has gone sideways in a most entertaining fashion, bravo :crylaugh:
Just wanted to add: the EU president and leadership is elected every 2.5 years fyi, the EU MP's are elected only once every 5 years.

The likely EU president(s) is not known at all when citizens head to the polls (unlike almost always is the case in the UK), your comparison to the UK is essentially madness, the UK at least pretends to have a democratic process, the EU is nothing of the sort.
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
I see your whole line of bs has gone sideways in a most entertaining fashion, bravo :crylaugh:
Just wanted to add: the EU president and leadership is elected every 2.5 years fyi, the EU MP's are elected only once every 5 years.

The likely EU president(s) is not known at all when citizens head to the polls (unlike in the UK), your comparison to the UK is essentially madness, the UK at least pretends to have a democratic process, the EU is nothing of the sort.
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We were speaking of Juncker right ? I mean that's the person I see mentioned in the screenshot attached.

The President of the European Commission is elected for 5 years, 5 months after the European Parliament elections.

Each party elects its leader (who will be the candidate for the presidency of the European Commission) before the European elections.

You are referring here to the president of the European council (who is Tusk), he is appointed (not elected) for 2.5 years. This position has much less prerogatives and powers than the Commission.

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f2wohf said:
We were speaking of Juncker right ? I mean that's the person I see mentioned in the screenshot attached
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Oh no, I would label every executive in the EU parliament as an un-elected bureaucrat, Tusk, Juncker, the whole lot. Tusk then, for reasons already explained, Juncker still is not a known entity as "most likely leader 5 months after the election" to the voting population which is unlike almost every other country's approach.

At a philosophical level a forced political union among so many countries that are so diverse just isn't a great idea i.m.o. It's the equivalent of forcing the ANC and FF+ to merge and expecting their supporters to be happy with it.
 
In a comment aimed squarely at Britain, European Parliament Brexit coordinator Guy Verhofstadt tweeted: "Any Brexit deal requires a strong & stable understanding of the complex issues involved. The clock is ticking — it's time to get real."

Verhofstadt chose his words carefully: "Strong and stable" is May's campaign slogan as she seeks to win a bigger parliamentary majority in Britain's June 8 election.

 
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The EU is now just making it up as it goes along.

Hope May tells them to shove it where the sun don't shine.

The cynic in me (and I'm very cynical about the EU) tell me the EU is trying very hard to engineer a no deal.

As Hannan says:

Three possibilities.
1 The FT aims to ensure a Tory majority of 200
2 €100 billion is a misprint
3 The EU has given up on any hope of a deal
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https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/859512756482998272
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
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The EU is now just making it up as it goes along.

Hope May tells them to shove it where the sun don't shine.

The cynic in me (and I'm very cynical about the EU) tell me the EU is trying very hard to engineer a no deal.

As Hannan says:



https://twitter.com/DanielJHannan/status/859512756482998272
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Cynically, engineering a no deal would be good for the EU to prevent any other country leaving.

We could wait a few years until U.K. begs for a free trade deal.

Though, it's also a stupid thing to make on the other side as we'll look as being too harsh.

I don't think France's position can be defined before June and all the elections are finished anyway. And the German one will depend on German elections so the real positions will only be fixed at the end of the year.
 
Theresa May accuses EU of trying to influence UK election in astonishing attack

Theresa May has accused the EU of trying to influence the result of Britain's general election by maliciously leaking the content of discussions to the media.

In an aggressive and unusual speech outside Downing Street the Prime Minister tore into some EU leaders and officials, and said Britain would not allow the "bureaucrats of Brussels run over us".

"Britain’s negotiating position in Europe has been misrepresented in the continental press, the European Commission’s negotiating stance has hardened," she said.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...untries-influence-uk-with-leaks-a7715851.html
 
f2wohf said:
They are in control as long as a crisis exists
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:crylaugh: conditional sovereignty is not sovereignty at all, they are not in control if they can be ordered around simply because they lack an existing crisis as determined by the EU. What a complete farce.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
:crylaugh: conditional sovereignty is not sovereignty at all, they are not in control if they can be ordered around simply because they lack an existing crisis as determined by the EU. What a complete farce.
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That's the core concept of the EU. Putting common rules to be respected by all the members.

The external borders should be reinforced (which is currently being done). The inner borders should totally disappear.

You're against the mere concept of the union, we get it, you'll never admit that it did any good whatsoever. No need to shout it every day.

Reforming the EU, yes it's needed on various aspects. Reinforcing integration too.

Leaving the EU will just leave individual players (starting by the small countries) who don't have the capacity to fight the big powers in terms of research, environment, trade conditions... As a Union and with economic integration, it's only the biggest consumer market in the world.
 
f2wohf said:
You're against the mere concept of the union, we get it, you'll never admit that it did any good whatsoever
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Oh I'll freely admit it has done plenty of good. The real question is will you ever admit its time has come and gone?

I believe you have a chance to send them a strong message of reforming this coming Sunday ... and no, not by electing their chosen candidate ;)
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
Oh I'll freely admit it has done plenty of good. The real question is will you ever admit its time has come and gone?

I believe you have a chance to send them a strong message of reforming this coming Sunday ... and no, not be electing their chosen candidate ;)
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I'll do that at the parliamentary elections.

I'd rather die than vote Le Pen, every single aspect of her person, her programme and her speeches is the antithesis of my beliefs.
 
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