The Brexit Thread

[HavocXphere]

In an ironic twist of fate Brexit is a cruel demonstration of why one wants to be part of a club wielding a big collective stick. Big collective stick negotiating with small individual stick....guess who gets their ass kicked.

It seems there are three British governments now, May, Davis and Johnson.

Make that two. Rather difficult to take Johnson seriously at this stage.

 

[f2wohf]

Shame, apparently we hurt the feelings of the British.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4700008/City-London-accuses-France-plot-wreck-Britain.html

A leaked memo says French bankers are plotting to 'actively disrupt' the City
The London financial centre is worth £66 billion a year to the Treasury
The City's Brexit envoy says Macron has declared 'open war' on the Square Mile
French representatives are now offering firms big money to move to Paris

 

[The Voice]

Shame, apparently we hurt the feelings of the British.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4700008/City-London-accuses-France-plot-wreck-Britain.html

A leaked memo says French bankers are plotting to 'actively disrupt' the City
The London financial centre is worth £66 billion a year to the Treasury
The City's Brexit envoy says Macron has declared 'open war' on the Square Mile
French representatives are now offering firms big money to move to Paris

A bit underhanded if it's true don't you think? A disastrous post-Brexit UK doesn't look like it'll happen so now the EU want to purposefully manufacture one? For shame...

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

A bit underhanded if it's true don't you think? A disastrous post-Brexit UK doesn't look like it'll happen so now the EU want to purposefully manufacture one? For shame...

Of course the EU want to create a narrative that the UK will be a disaster post-Brexit to prevent other countries who might think of holding a referendum. Quite frankly I don't think the EU are even interested in getting deal, given their risible positions about EU citizen rights in the UK and that they want ECJ jurisdiction of EU citizens living in the UK. No, no, no! People living in the UK will be subject to UK laws, made under the UK parliament with interpretation by the UK courts, with the UK supreme court being the highest court in the land.

Rebel MPs form cross-party group to oppose hard Brexit

Shame. Still going on about 'hard' and 'soft' Brexit - two terms appearing out of thin air after the Remoaners lost the referendum. Even the permanently drunk EU president, Mr. Junker, has said on multiple occasions. Being in the single market means you have to accept the four freedoms.

Let me make it incredibly simple for you:

Hard Brexit = Brexit
Soft Brexit = Establishment stitch up/not really leaving the EU.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

[video]https://twitter.com/_/status/886535987572031489[/video]

A rising star of the Corbynista left...also known as a thicko.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Shame, apparently we hurt the feelings of the British.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4700008/City-London-accuses-France-plot-wreck-Britain.html

A leaked memo says French bankers are plotting to 'actively disrupt' the City
The London financial centre is worth £66 billion a year to the Treasury
The City's Brexit envoy says Macron has declared 'open war' on the Square Mile
French representatives are now offering firms big money to move to Paris

Let them try.

Think Macron has more pressing issues like the inevitable strikes he'll face in September.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

In an ironic twist of fate Brexit is a cruel demonstration of why one wants to be part of a club wielding a big collective stick. Big collective stick negotiating with small individual stick....guess who gets their ass kicked.


Make that two. Rather difficult to take Johnson seriously at this stage.

Negotiations haven't really started yet...not sure what you are basing your assertion one that the UK is getting their arse kicked?

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

So about that so-called successful EU-Japan trade deal....

Is the EU-Japan ‘trade deal’ real – or just a stunt?

There is much celebration in Brussels today about what’s being described as a EU-Japan trade deal, but for political rather than economic reasons. Donald Trump has arrived in Hamburg for the G20 summit where he finds himself cast as a wicked protectionist, at odds with a pro-free trade global order. To hammer home this point, the EU is claiming to have agreed a trade “deal” with Japan, with whom Mr Trump pulled out of talks when he abandoned Barack Obama’s Trans-Pacific Partnership. At this stage, Tokyo gave precedence to Brussels – and today’s, erm, political agreement is the result.

Donald Tusk, president of the European Council, is already trying to use this to taunt Trump. ‘Some are saying the time of isolationism and disintegration is coming again,” he said, a clear reference to Trump. “We are demonstrating that this is not the case.’ For his part, Shinzo Abe has hailed ‘a major pillar in our economic growth under Abenomics’ – and ‘the birth of the world’s largest, free industrialised economic zone.’

But here’s the snag: there isn’t, actually, a deal. It’s an ‘outline,’ a ‘political’ agreement, the sort that is the basis for a deal – a staging post to a deal that may or may not be done in two years’ time. The EU has simply said that it is prepared, in principle, to lower the 10pc tariff slapped on Japanese cars, in exchange for being able to export food more easily. So it’s a cars-for-cheese agreement, the first stage towards a free trade deal. With plenty ground left to cover.

For example, there’s no agreement on…

How to resolve trade disputes – a fairly major part of any trade deal. The EU wants a court system, Japan doesn’t.
How to settle any complaint from foreign investors that their rights are being violated.
What protection Abe would offer to Japanese producers of pork, wood and dairy products.
The sale of illegal logging products
What kind of protection would be covered to Europe’s car manufacturing sector.
All this will take until 2019 and it then it needs to be approved by all 28 (or, by that time, 27) member states. And then tariffs will likely stay in place for a further seven years – so even if all goes well we’re looking at about another ten years before it would come off.

So: a EU-Japan deal? Not yet, and not for some time yet. It’s essentially a progress report on talks, dressed up as a deal ahead of the G20 to try in an attempt to embarrass America. Ah the games, the games.

UPDATE: my thanks to Housuk Lee-Makiyama of ECIPE for pointing out the normal order of these things. A “political agreement” with Canada was declared in 2013 but the deal didn’t come for another three years – and, even then, almost floundered. With South Korea, the political agreement came a year before the deal.

 

[Dave]

Of course the EU want to create a narrative that the UK will be a disaster post-Brexit to prevent other countries who might think of holding a referendum. Quite frankly I don't think the EU are even interested in getting deal, given their risible positions about EU citizen rights in the UK and that they want ECJ jurisdiction of EU citizens living in the UK. No, no, no! People living in the UK will be subject to UK laws, made under the UK parliament with interpretation by the UK courts, with the UK supreme court being the highest court in the land.

Will they also keep all the Australians out?

 

[buka001]

So about that so-called successful EU-Japan trade deal....

Is the EU-Japan ‘trade deal’ real – or just a stunt?

Soooo doesn't this prove how difficult it will be and how long it will take for UK to get a trade deal?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Shame. Still going on about 'hard' and 'soft' Brexit - two terms appearing out of thin air after the Remoaners lost the referendum. Even the permanently drunk EU president, Mr. Junker, has said on multiple occasions. Being in the single market means you have to accept the four freedoms.

Let me make it incredibly simple for you:

Hard Brexit = Brexit
Soft Brexit = Establishment stitch up/not really leaving the EU.

TIL Daniel Hannan is a "Remoaner".

 

[f2wohf]

A bit underhanded if it's true don't you think? A disastrous post-Brexit UK doesn't look like it'll happen so now the EU want to purposefully manufacture one? For shame...

A disastrous post Brexit never looked like it was going to happen if you look seriously at the facts.

France never changed its strategy, Paris started lobbying and giving tax incentives to get banks on day one of Brexit.

It just seems that the British need a manufactured outrage at how bad Europeans are.

 

[f2wohf]

Let them try.

Think Macron has more pressing issues like the inevitable strikes he'll face in September.

It’s not Macron who is handling or spearheading this. The most active lobbyist is Paris’ Municipality.

 

[The Voice]

A disastrous post Brexit never looked like it was going to happen if you look seriously at the facts.

France never changed its strategy, Paris started lobbying and giving tax incentives to get banks on day one of Brexit.

It just seems that the British need a manufactured outrage at how bad Europeans are.

Again, people assuming the British can't tell the difference between Europe and the EU - a large number of the former's inhabitants in fact share the same sentiment, and think the EU is simply a shinier version of the old USSR, and that it needs to be done away with. Brexiteers don't hate Europe or Europeans: they hate the EU.

Though, having said that, on the Remain side the confusion was/is a bit more apparent, though - I still remember people walking around with "We love EU" signs. No, mate, you don't. You really, really don't. You love Europe. Know the difference.

The UK was never going to fall apart outside of the EU - it's why more than 50% who voted gave Brexit the nod. Any chance that what the Remain campaign had to say would come true, and the outcome would've been very different. I guess it's why people on the opposing side are becoming a bit flappy - the dragons haven't attacked London yet! A few Cockerels are getting a bit feisty, though...

 

[The Voice]

This move by Paris may actually spark something locally. The financial trade in London is simply too valuable to lose, so I reckon this may force the government to give the bankers similar incentives to keep them here.

 

[The_Assimilator]

Again, people assuming the British can't tell the difference between Europe and the EU - a large number of the former's inhabitants in fact share the same sentiment, and think the EU is simply a shinier version of the old USSR, and that it needs to be done away with.

Why?

What, exactly, is their problem with being part of an organisation that is greater than the sum of its parts?

 

[OrbitalDawn]

This move by Paris may actually spark something locally. The financial trade in London is simply too valuable to lose, so I reckon this may force the government to give the bankers similar incentives to keep them here.

It's a pretty obvious next move for a number of cities post-Brexit. A number have been marketing themselves quite strongly to pick up London's losses.

Dublin is streets ahead of EU rivals as City firms plan for Brexit relocation

In boardrooms across London, bank executives are deciding where to move tens of thousands of jobs in the event of a hard Brexit. Rival European financial centres, including Paris, Frankfurt and Luxembourg, are vying for the business – but Dublin is emerging as the most popular destination.

Hundreds of banks, insurers, fund managers and other major City firms had until Friday to tell the Bank of England how they intend to cope in the event of a hard Brexit.

Accountants at EY last week said 59 out of the 222 biggest financial services companies in the UK have made public statements about moving staff from Britain to the EU because of Brexit. Dublin, which is still scarred by Ireland’s financial crisis, is the top destination with 19 firms mentioning a possible move to the Irish capital.

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Frankfurt appears to be the second most popular destination, with 18 mentions in EY’s research. Luxembourg, with a population of just 110,000, comes third with 11.

Paris, which last week promised bankers significant tax cuts as part of a major charm offensive by the new French prime minister, Édouard Philippe, was ranked in fourth place.

It will be interesting to see if Sadiq Khan is able to offer some kind of incentive for those businesses to stay. Although I can't really see how he could. They need to be in a EU country, and no benefits London can offer will make up for that.

 

[HavocXphere]

It's a pretty obvious next move for a number of cities post-Brexit. A number have been marketing themselves quite strongly to pick up London's losses.

Dublin is streets ahead of EU rivals as City firms plan for Brexit relocation

The funny thing is a buddy of mine that is always two steps ahead of everyone else rated Dublin as being the place to be...a prediction ~1 year ahead of that fateful vote.

I reckon it's going to be tight between Dublin and Frankfurt though...the ECB has got to be a big draw card for high finance.

This move by Paris may actually spark something locally. The financial trade in London is simply too valuable to lose, so I reckon this may force the government to give the bankers similar incentives to keep them here.

London isn't the problem. The issue is the other 99% of England that isn't London finance is also armed with votes and they count just as much. So yeah London finance (and with it UK economy) is going to get screwed but the voter base doesn't seem to understand (or care?).

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Chris' hero, Dan Hannan, tweeted a stock photo of Wales and says it was when he went walking in England. :crylaugh:

https://twitter.com/tompeck/status/886887951623442432

 

[C4Cat]

Again, people assuming the British can't tell the difference between Europe and the EU - a large number of the former's inhabitants in fact share the same sentiment, and think the EU is simply a shinier version of the old USSR, and that it needs to be done away with. Brexiteers don't hate Europe or Europeans: they hate the EU.

Though, having said that, on the Remain side the confusion was/is a bit more apparent, though - I still remember people walking around with "We love EU" signs. No, mate, you don't. You really, really don't. You love Europe. Know the difference.

The UK was never going to fall apart outside of the EU - it's why more than 50% who voted gave Brexit the nod. Any chance that what the Remain campaign had to say would come true, and the outcome would've been very different. I guess it's why people on the opposing side are becoming a bit flappy - the dragons haven't attacked London yet! A few Cockerels are getting a bit feisty, though...

I don't know what you're on about with this post. Why do you find it so hard to believe that people on the Remain side love the EU as well as loving Europe? Your post is very confusing