The Brexit Thread

[f2wohf]

Why does it matter? Do you deny there could ever be such a product? Would one example somehow magically convince you otherwise?

How about every single British brand that banks on its heritage to make a sale? Take McLaren or Aston Martin for example, it doesn't matter who owns the companies or where the cars are manufactured as much as it matters that they are proudly British and have to maintain their Britishness or lose their niche market altogether. Hence they both still have British headquarters.

Now the EU can of course demand all kinds of things from British car makers and wealthy EU citizens of course have many other brands to choose from, but when they want a McLaren they can only get it from ... McLaren

And if the McLaren is not CE compliant, they can't get a McLaren imported and will probably buy a Pagani or a Koenigsegg instead.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

As I mentioned earlier in the thread - it's quite telling how the "IT'S THE PEOPLE'S WILL" crowd are so uncomfortable with a 2nd referendum. Circumstances have changed after all.

The people have been denied the right to choose for over 4 decades, are you genuinely surprised that they'd get nervous about having a decision of such magnitude overturned without it ever being implemented a mere one year after they finally had their say?!?

Imagine in 1994 the nats had another election after the ANC won ... no problem right? the outcome is bound to be the will of the people on the retry right?

So why don't they do it then? They've had more than a year and we've still only heard mindless mutterings, confabulations, pathetic accusations of being disloyal and unpatriotic when faced with criticism etc.

Exactly, focus the criticism there, I wouldn't be surprised if a huge part of the lag in getting plans sorted out is due to the unending bullcrap from people moaning for another referendum or outright overturning the decision. Stop it, it is a waste of time, focus on something productive instead.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

And if the McLaren is not CE compliant, they can't get a McLaren imported and will probably buy a Pagani or a Koenigsegg instead.

You clearly don't understand the mind of people who can afford these cars and have a passion for them. When you want a McLaren, NOTHING else will do.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

It seems to be becoming accepted that a lot of people who voted leave feel they were lied to and voted on false grounds, every local news broadcast which has a Brexit segment will have at least one person saying “I voted leave but now feel I made a mistake”.

The fact that it is on every local news broadcast only shows the level of bias in the UK media, nothing more. It is the polite, decidedly British, version of the American media's anti-Trump "OMG RUSSIA!" campaign. The truth doesn't matter anymore, only what you are told matters apparently ...

 

[f2wohf]

You clearly don't understand the mind of people who can afford these cars and have a passion for them. When you want a McLaren, NOTHING else will do.

When it's forbidden to drive a McLaren in your country, it will be impounded at customs and seized.

Your clearly don't understand how customs and certifications work. Even in SA, my company got products seized because of NRCS non compliance...

It's the EU, not Zimbabwe where you can bribe a custom official.

Even if it ended up on the road, it would be impounded in less than 6 hours on the road.

 

[Dave]

Why does it matter? Do you deny there could ever be such a product? Would one example somehow magically convince you otherwise?

So you admit that for at least 99% of goods this monopoly market you suggested doesn’t exist?

How about every single British brand that banks on its heritage to make a sale? Take McLaren or Aston Martin for example, it doesn't matter who owns the companies or where the cars are manufactured as much as it matters that they are proudly British and have to maintain their Britishness or lose their niche market altogether. Hence they both still have British headquarters.

Now the EU can of course demand all kinds of things from British car makers and wealthy EU citizens of course have many other brands to choose from, but when they want a McLaren they can only get it from ... McLaren

No, they don’t, the headquarters could easily move into the EU (or elswhere) with only a figurehead location in the UK, the money flows to the head office.

Look at what EasyJet are doing in the eventuality of falling out of the EU Open Skies Regulations. Hello Vienna...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

When it's forbidden to drive a McLaren in your country, it will be impounded at customs and seized.
Your clearly don't understand how customs and certifications work.

:crylaugh: another lemming, what the government says is the one truth right?
So easy to forget the government serves the people, not the other way around. That's why brexit was necessary in the first place, taking back control. Eventually the rest of the EU will wake up too.

How many super wealthy elites in the EU will accept their government forbidding them from having something they truly desire?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

So you admit that for at least 99% of this monopoly market you suggested doesn’t exist?

No, I highlight the futility of the exercise and proceed to not waste time on it. Note how I never used the word "monopoly" either ...

No, they don’t, the headquarters could easily move into the EU (or elswhere) with only a figurehead location in the UK, the money flows to the head office.
Look at what EasyJet are doing in the eventuality of falling out of the EU Open Skies Regulations. Hello Vienna...

EasyJet is a budget brand that has never in its life relied on heritage to make a sale, your comparison is illogical, a figurehead UK location will be much too transparent for a truly British brand.

 

[f2wohf]

:crylaugh: another lemming, what the government says is the one truth right?
So easy to forget the government serves the people, not the other way around. That's why brexit was necessary in the first place, taking back control. Eventually the rest of the EU will wake up too.

How many super wealthy elites in the EU will accept their government forbidding them from having something they truly desire?

Because the UK government won't have certification standards and after Brexit will let you import unsafe Chinese products for example ? Each country (even SA, even Zimbabwe) has certification organisms and standards to be abided by.

Super wealthy elites in the EU already accept it and drive roadworthy certified cars, and don't drive the non-roadworthy certified ones.

Anyway, super wealthy elites aren't exactly relevant in % of UK exports.

Do you think EU will be flooded by black market Cadbury biscuits if they become non-CE ? Or by black market british peas ?

 

[The_Assimilator]

There's a good, obedient, lemming, I bet the SS had similar pearls of wisdom to share with each "traitor" they executed. The level of group dependence and group think you so admire has been proven throughout history to be a vicious and dangerous thing in the long run...

From globalism to Hitler in a single post? Impressive.

BTW, it amuses me to no end that the "independence" you love to champion is actually just a synonym for ignorance, often wilful.

Imagine in 1994 the nats had another election after the ANC won ... no problem right? the outcome is bound to be the will of the people on the retry right?

The falsest of equivalences.

:crylaugh: another lemming, what the government says is the one truth right?
So easy to forget the government serves the people, not the other way around. That's why brexit was necessary in the first place, taking back control. Eventually the rest of the EU will wake up too.

How many super wealthy elites in the EU will accept their government forbidding them from having something they truly desire?

They'll have to deal with it, or risk breaking the law. Unless you're implying that the super-rich should be above the law, which only an idiot would.

 

[Dave]

No, I highlight the futility of the exercise and proceed to not waste time on it. Note how I never used the word "monopoly" either ...

you were the one who made the comment.

The UK could have a parallel standard or outsource compliance duties or if there's a product line they happen to dominate the market in, plain tell the EU to gfy.

So, name ONE product this is true for...

EasyJet is a budget brand that has never in its life relied on heritage to make a sale, your comparison is illogical, a figurehead UK location will be much too transparent for a truly British brand.

You can’t be that stupid not to realise the premise holds true for any brand, they still have a “UK Head Office”, only issue is it’s now subordinate to the new Head Office in the EU that actually holds the purse strings and will collect the majority of the revenue.

 

[buka001]

you were the one who made the comment.



So, name ONE product this is true for...




You can’t be that stupid not to realise the premise holds true for any brand, they still have a “UK Head Office”, only issue is it’s now subordinate to the new Head Office in the EU that actually holds the purse strings and will collect the majority of the revenue.

Heritage brands? I don't think there are enough so called Heritage brands to supplement trade lost with EU. Aston Martin, Land Rover, Jaguar and what PG Tips tea?

Mclaren may realise that its a whole lot cheaper and easier to move to the EU and build cars there, because there is still no CE system in place and it can't sell a third of its vehicles anymore.

Edit - Quoted wrong post

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

The falsest of equivalences.

It is perfectly accurate, a people who have been denied a vote for decades being asked to accept a retry immediately after their historic victory.

They'll have to deal with it, or risk breaking the law. Unless you're implying that the super-rich should be above the law, which only an idiot would.

I'm implying the super rich elite has disproportionate influence over lawmakers, which any idiot knows is the truth. Governments can ignore the plight of the commoners for lengthy periods without facing any consequences, not so when they ignore the ruling class.

 

[f2wohf]

It is perfectly accurate, a people who have been denied a vote for decades being asked to accept a retry immediately after their historic victory.


I'm implying the super rich elite has disproportionate influence over lawmakers, which any idiot knows is the truth. Governments can ignore the plight of the commoners for lengthy periods without facing any consequences, not so when they ignore the ruling class.

So all the German and French billionaires together will make a lobbying effort to be able to purchase McLarens ?

Wouldn't it be slightly obvious and outright rejected ?

I think they have much better things to do with their time and money...

They could just buy a McLaren and a flat in London and drive it during week ends in London. It will be cheaper and much less efforts...

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Heritage brands? I don't think there are enough so called Heritage brands to supplement trade lost with EU. Aston Martin, Land Rover, Jaguar and what PG Tips tea?

You don't think there are enough, I'm not proposing it either, merely pointing out there is always more to consider other than a complete loss of business for the UK. They will have some losses, they will have some gains, arguing over which will be the greater once all the millions of factors have played there part is a waste of time; brexit is coming regardless.

The only productive use of time for Brits who care about Britain is to make the best of Brexit, regardless of whether or not you wanted it to happen before. (I see from your earlier post you get this, but clearly others here still don't get it)

 

[JayM]

You don't think there are enough, I'm not proposing it either, merely pointing out there is always more to consider other than a complete loss of business for the UK. They will have some losses, they will have some gains, arguing over which will be the greater once all the millions of factors have played there part is a waste of time; brexit is coming regardless.

The only productive use of time for Brits who care about Britain is to make the best of Brexit, regardless of whether or not you wanted it to happen before. (I see from your earlier post you get this, but clearly others here still don't get it)

lol, Brexitards voted for it, they must fix it. UK is toast.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

So all the German and French billionaires together will make a lobbying effort to be able to purchase McLarens ?

Fixate some more on a single example to hide from the truth . The ruling class won't move into action so quickly or lightly, it may coincidentally be the last straw, or it may be the first of many. Eventually the situation becomes unacceptable to the point where they act, and when they act there is no "lobbying" for some small victory, governments are simply replaced entirely.

That's all completely off topic however, the point I've been making today is it is a waste of time to continue arguing about whether Brexit is going to be better or worse for the UK then remaining in the EU. It is coming, so prepare for it regardless of your opinion.

 

[buka001]

You don't think there are enough, I'm not proposing it either, merely pointing out there is always more to consider other than a complete loss of business for the UK. They will have some losses, they will have some gains, arguing over which will be the greater once all the millions of factors have played there part is a waste of time; brexit is coming regardless.

The only productive use of time for Brits who care about Britain is to make the best of Brexit, regardless of whether or not you wanted it to happen before. (I see from your earlier post you get this, but clearly others here still don't get it)

Trust me I get it. It is the only way (short of a re-election, which I fear may cause more problems) to resurrect some semblance of a functioning trade system and so on.

I just don't see anything concrete in this regard taking place though. That is my immediate concern. Given the time left, I fear some failures on this part and its bang on to WTO rates and exclusion of certain products and services and further fallout.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

lol, Brexitards voted for it, they must fix it. UK is toast.

Thanks, that is a perfect example of the futility of pointing fingers. That statement is the least productive thing I've seen in ages.

If every bremoaner acts like that and helps the UK to become toast what good does it do them to sit in squalor one day and shout "I told you so!"???

 

[f2wohf]

Fixate some more on a single example to hide from the truth . The ruling class won't move into action so quickly or lightly, it may coincidentally be the last straw, or it may be the first of many. Eventually the situation becomes unacceptable to the point where they act, and when they act there is no "lobbying" for some small victory, governments are simply replaced entirely.

That's all completely off topic however, the point I've been making today is it is a waste of time to continue arguing about whether Brexit is going to be better or worse for the UK then remaining in the EU. It is coming, so prepare for it regardless of your opinion.

Yes, yes, yes, we know. EU is a mix between the USSR and the nazis and is oppressing the liberties and freedom of the poor European people, driving them into misery and despair.

The ruling class is very happy about EU, as is most of the population. But your blinkers prevent you from seeing this.

PS: International commerce (even with certifications and national regulations being more stringent than ever) has never been more thriving, especially in the EU. What a paradox it must be for you !