The Brexit Thread

[JayM]

Thanks, that is a perfect example of the futility of pointing fingers. That statement is the least productive thing I've seen in ages.

If every bremoaner acts like that and helps the UK to become toast what good does it do them to sit in squalor one day and shout "I told you so!"???

I can see why there was such a strong correlation between lack of education and likelihood of voting for Brexit.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Yes, yes, yes, we know. EU is a mix between the USSR and the nazis and is oppressing the liberties and freedom of the poor European people, driving them into misery and despair.

The ruling class is very happy about EU, as is most of the population. But your blinkers prevent you from seeing this.

PS: International commerce (even with certifications and national regulations being more stringent than ever) has never been more thriving, especially in the EU. What a paradox it must be for you !

None of which changes the fact that brexit is coming, do you disagree?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

I can see why there was such a strong correlation between lack of education and likelihood of voting for Brexit.

Correlation? That's a big word given your severe lack of education

How about answering my question?

 

[f2wohf]

None of which changes the fact that brexit is coming, do you disagree?

Where did I say Brexit is not coming ? Did I ever say I was in favour of another vote ?

It is obviously coming. I've said many times that I'm very happy the UK decided to leave the EU since it will allow the EU to go forward.

The UK was always a show stopper on more integration.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Where did I say Brexit is not coming ? Did I ever say I was in favour of another vote ?
It is obviously coming. I've said many times that I'm very happy the UK decided to leave the EU since it will allow the EU to go forward.

You replied to my post where I emphasized that the continued debate is a waste of time, yet your reply seemed to completely ignore that bit. I had to therefor assume you didn't deem it important, despite the emphasis.

The UK was always a show stopper on more integration.

jawohl mein fuhrer!

 

[buka001]

Well Liam Fox is saying he views the EU as a future competitor to trade. Brave words. So Why would the EU need to grant concessions to the UK if this is the case?

 

[f2wohf]

You replied to my post where I emphasized that the continued debate is a waste of time, yet your reply seemed to completely ignore that bit. I had to therefor assume you didn't deem it important, despite the emphasis.

I was answering to the first paragraph about the ruling class actually, forgot to delete the second paragraph in the quote.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

lol, Brexitards voted for it, they must fix it. UK is toast.

You keep saying this yet you provide no evidence. Just a quick example - still waiting for the much anticipated recession. Of course only bad losers would wish ill of a country just because they went against your view but there you go. BBC, Independent, Guardian will be unable to contain their glee if economic growth becomes negative.

Of course even if the UK has a few quarters of negative growth doesn't invalidate the decision to leave. Not everything is about economics and that is especially true about Brexit.

 

[f2wohf]

You keep saying this yet you provide evidence. Just a quick example - still waiting for the much anticipated recession. Of course only bad losers would wish ill of a country just because they went against your view but there you go. BBC, Independent, Guardian will be unable to contain their glee if economic growth becomes negative.

Who said recession ? All the reports I've seen mention a reduced growth, which is already happening as UK had the slowest growth in the EU (future will tell if it's related to Brexit or not).

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Who said recession ? All the reports I've seen mention a reduced growth, which is already happening as UK had the slowest growth in the EU (future will tell if it's related to Brexit or not).

We've already been over this. The UK treasury had a two year time frame. It's been a year since the vote and there is no sign of a recession. By the way the IMF released projected growth figures for 2017 and the UK is ahead of everyone in the EU besides Germany (1.8 v 1.7%).

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

GDP Would Need to Collapse by 5% in next 12 months to meet Osbourne's Treasury Predictions

Worth reading the new growth figures in the context of the Treasury’s pre-referendum projections. HMT warned that in the two years following a Leave vote, the UK would enter recession with GDP falling by between 3.6% and 6%.

There has been growth in each quarter following the vote to leave: 0.6% in Q3 2016, 0.6% in Q4 2016, 0.2% in Q1 2017 and 0.3% in Q2 2017. That means to meet Project Fear’s two-year prediction, GDP has to fall by over 5% in the next 12 months. Let’s see

Everything is Awesome for Manufacturing

The ONS Q2 fall in manufacturing is due to a significant drop in the manufacture of cars. Elsewhere it’s a different picture if you read the new CBI Quarterly Trends survey, a long-standing survey of 397 blue-chip manufacturers which shows the state of Britain PLC. This quarter is astounding when you remember the predictions of economic disaster rolled out by George Osborne last year. The numbers are awesome:

32% of manufacturers said employee numbers with headcount increasing at the fastest rate for three years and hiring intentions for the coming quarter also improved.
Expectations for growth in export orders improved to a four-decade high.
Export optimism is strong, 43% of firms said the volume of output over the past three months was up – the highest since January 1995.
35% of businesses reported an increase in total orders.
Domestic orders were up +19%, with export orders growth remaining strong at +17%.
Alongside robust expectations for demand, firms accumulated raw materials at the fastest pace in forty years and stocks of work-in-progress expanded at a record rate. Strong confidence levels saw stock building of raw materials (+20%) which was the strongest since April 1977 (+22%), whilst stocks of work-in-progress rose (+16%).

By any measure these are good numbers, in the context of Osborne’s predictions for an immediate economic collapse, job losses, a collapse of business confidence and investment, these numbers are awesome. Reading the FT you’d never know it…

 

[buka001]

You keep saying this yet you provide no evidence. Just a quick example - still waiting for the much anticipated recession. Of course only bad losers would wish ill of a country just because they went against your view but there you go. BBC, Independent, Guardian will be unable to contain their glee if economic growth becomes negative.

Of course even if the UK has a few quarters of negative growth doesn't invalidate the decision to leave. Not everything is about economics and that is especially true about Brexit.

Brexit hasn't happened yet? Still within the evil EU's clasp!

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Brexit hasn't happened yet? Still within the evil EU's clasp!

Not what the Treasury predicted though. Also the Remoaners are being disingenious when they blame all bad news on Brexit ('cause the only thing that affects growth prospects is Brexit and nothing else ) but when there's good news, they point to the fact that the UK hasn't left the EU yet. It's either one or the other.

 

[f2wohf]

GDP Would Need to Collapse by 5% in next 12 months to meet Osbourne's Treasury Predictions

Everything is Awesome for Manufacturing

Strange how they obliterate what's in big on the CBI page...

“Economic growth has remained sluggish in line with our expectations. We expect growth to remain lukewarm over the next couple of years, so providing businesses with certainty and stability has never been more important.

“A limited transition period as we leave the EU where the UK stays in the single market and a customs union until a final deal is in force, would help create a bridge to a new trading arrangement. It would give businesses the confidence they need to invest, expand and create jobs.”

http://www.cbi.org.uk/news/sluggish-growth-for-uk-economy/

Manufacturing will only be affected from 2019, as of today Brexit has no impact on manufacturing as the rules and certifications are still the same.

 

[buka001]

Strange how they obliterate what's in big on the CBI page...

http://www.cbi.org.uk/news/sluggish-growth-for-uk-economy/

Manufacturing will only be affected from 2019, as of today Brexit has no impact on manufacturing as the rules and certifications are still the same.

Exactly. Brexit hasn't happened yet. When it happens, then perhaps the predictions can be looked at?

But again, whast the point. There is clearly lack of leadership and a lack of any plan to come up with something. Thats the big issue.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Strange how they obliterate what's in big on the CBI page...



http://www.cbi.org.uk/news/sluggish-growth-for-uk-economy/

Manufacturing will only be affected from 2019, as of today Brexit has no impact on manufacturing as the rules and certifications are still the same.

CBI was a big, outspoken supporter of Remain so it's no wonder they are publicising the bad news. That's why I like Guido...looks past the headlines!

 

[f2wohf]

CBI was a big, outspoken supporter of Remain so it's no wonder they are publicising the bad news. That's why I like Guido...looks past the headlines!

Looks past the headlines stating completely irrelevant arguments and saying that Remainers were wrong. Again, manufacturing is not and will not be impacted until Brexit really happens (meaning custom duties, trade agreement or whatever happens in 2019).

Factories have the capability to export and have orders, they will produce it and deliver it and will do so as long as they can.

The fact remains that the growth of the country is sluggish. Manufacturing might be ok but it's only 10% of the GDP, the other 90% don't seem to do so well.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Epic trolling by the heavily Remain publication FT.

 

[Dave]

Epic trolling by the heavily Remain publication FT.

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The electric Mini that’s really being assembled in the UK with significant German content and with one of the smaller amounts of recently announced investment in the car sector? With a caveat that BMW is still considering moving the production to the Netherlands if there is a bad Brexit.

According to both ITV and BBC news today..

 

[f2wohf]

The electric Mini that’s really being assembled in the UK with significant German content and with one of the smaller amounts of recently announced investment in the car sector? With a caveat that BMW is still considering moving the production to the Netherlands if there is a bad Brexit.

According to both ITV and BBC news today..

Don’t worry, soon Brexiters will claim that every investment in the country is thanks to Brexit.