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None of the drivel you posted actually deals with the fact that the UK has influence over the laws and directives before they are promulgated.

There's a reason for that. Can't whine endlessly if you actually made an effort to do the work.

Farage never showed up for work or bothered to do anything to advocate on behalf of the UK. Then wants to complain and whine that the EU ignores the UK.

Just a quick rebuttal off the top of my head is that you can't control immigration within the EU

This is easily debunked nonsense, Chris. Have you really not bothered to do the most cursory reading on this?

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/...-need-to-leave-europe-to-control-eu-migration
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...-back-control-immigration-eu-directive-brexit


Except I recall during the referendum the UK was largely outvoted on most issues, hence there was no point in being involved anyway.

Funny how that works in your mind. It only counts when I get what I want!
 
Going well...

Brexit Britain on the road to nowhere, says FTA

With three weeks to go until crunch Brexit talks in Brussels, the UK’s leading logistics trade body says that its confidence in Government’s ability to deliver a ‘frictionless’ Brexit that will ‘Keep Britain Trading’ with the EU is fast collapsing. The Freight Transport Association (FTA) is one of the UK’s largest and most influential industry groups, and speaks for the whole of the logistics industry.

As James Hookham, the organisation’s Deputy Chief Executive explains, the lack of progress on the industry’s key demands of government for a trade agreement, means that those in the industry charged with maintaining the country’s supply chain after Brexit are left with no means by which to operate effectively

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“We keep getting told that all food and agricultural exports to the Continent and Ireland will be checked at EU ports - but there is nowhere to check them, and the system to check them does not exist. We still don’t know if we will be able to employ the 43,000 truck drivers in the UK that are nationals from another member state – that’s 13% of our driver workforce!

Government warned British cars 'won't qualify for free trade deals' after Brexit

The government has been repeatedly told in private that British assembled cars will not qualify as British-made for the purposes of the much-vaunted free trade deals it hopes to sign upon leaving the European Union and its customs union.
 

Chris has been called on that same point in the past, and has been shown that control of EU immigrants is already allowed under the current laws, unfortunately he's like Farage, he conveniently "forgets" it's already been debunked and spouts it over and over hoping that repetition will somehow make it true.
 
We’ve had a perfect combination of weather to produce very high pollen counts, particularly grass pollen which affects about 95 per cent of hay fever sufferers.

I think we have several weeks yet of it, and possibly more.

If we get a rainy spell that will set the season back a little bit, so it will last for longer because the grasses will pause and then come back again.

If we get a lot of hot weather they will be exhausted quickly, but we are still looking at at least another three weeks.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/life/three-weeks-of-hay-fever-hell-as-pollen-bomb-hits-britain/

Just imagine this when antihistamines are stuck in Calais or Dover?
 
For our right wing contributors to the thread who still spout about "will of the people".

Voters are turning against Brexit as they lose faith in Theresa May’s handling of the negotiations, a new poll shows.

The proportion of people who disagree with leaving the EU has reached a high of 47 per cent – a record 7 points ahead of the 40 per cent who still back the decision.

The figure has leapt 3 percentage points in just one week, as the cabinet fails to agree on an exit strategy – and amid stark warnings about the chaos from leaving with no deal.

The 40 per cent who told YouGov that the Brexit vote was the right one was also down 3 points and is now at the lowest level recorded.

Significantly, no fewer than 62 per cent of voters said the government was handling Brexit negotiations badly, with just 23 per cent backing ministers.

Only 81 per cent of those who backed Leave in 2016 said they still believed it was the right decision – with 9 per cent now saying it was wrong.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...sa-may-negotiations-deal-yougov-a8383826.html
 
The Brits forgot that the main reason the joined the EU in the first place because their Parliament was inhabited by a bunch of morons. Now we can look forward to the “will of the people” being a choice between Jeremy Corbyn and Boris Johnson. We are so fu###. :)
 
Chris has been called on that same point in the past, and has been shown that control of EU immigrants is already allowed under the current laws, unfortunately he's like Farage, he conveniently "forgets" it's already been debunked and spouts it over and over hoping that repetition will somehow make it true.

It's almost like he's a lying sack of s**t like his idol Farage.
 
For our right wing contributors to the thread who still spout about "will of the people".

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Voters are turning against Brexit as they lose faith in Theresa May’s handling of the negotiations, a new poll shows

The people are losing faith in the negotiators, not the exit ...
 
Govt now expects NI backstop plan to end before 2022 after David Davis resignation talk


The government "expects" a Brexit backstop solution to the Irish border issue to end before 2022, after Theresa May acted to ease the concerns of her Leave-supporting ministers.

The prime minister appeared to have avoided a full-blown Brexit crisis and an explosive cabinet resignation after a "constructive" discussion with David Davis on Thursday morning.

It followed speculation her Brexit secretary was ready to quit the government over the details of the backstop proposal.

Mrs May also held separate face-to-face meetings in her parliamentary office with Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson and International Trade Secretary Liam Fox.

The government later published its proposal for a backstop plan to avoid a hard border on the island of Ireland, with an ambition for it to end by the time of the next general election.

This will see the UK retain parts of the EU's customs union in the event of a wider UK-EU agreement finding no solution to the issue; but Brexiteers had become concerned as to whether the proposal would truly be "time-limited", as promised.

The Cabinet Office document states: "The UK is clear that the temporary customs arrangement, should it be needed, should be time limited, and that it will be only in place until the future customs arrangement can be introduced.

"The UK is clear that the future customs arrangement needs to deliver on the commitments made in relation to Northern Ireland.

"The UK expects the future arrangement to be in place by the end of December 2021 at the latest.

"There are a range of options for how a time limit could be delivered, which the UK will propose and discuss with the EU."

Another paragraph clearly states the temporary customs arrangement will be "time-limited" and will come into force after the Brexit transition period ends in December 2020.

The document also states the UK will be able to "negotiate, sign and ratify" free trade agreements with non-EU countries while the backstop is in place.

And the paper adds a temporary arrangement "could only be provided in law" if an EU-UK divorce deal and a future partnership framework are agreed.

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier welcomed the publication of the UK proposal but said Brussels would "examine it with three questions".

These were whether it is a "workable solution" to avoiding a hard border, whether it respects the "integrity" of the EU's single market and customs union", and whether it is an "all-weather backstop".

The Republic of Ireland's deputy prime minister Simon Coveney said he looked forward to discussing the UK's proposal with Mr Barnier's team.

Claiming there is "clearly a great deal of work" remaining to be done in Brexit negotiations, Mr Coveney said: "Our strong preference remains an overall EU-UK future relationship which would resolve all issues.

"However, it remains vital that a legally-binding backstop is agreed to provide certainty that, in all circumstances, a hard border will be avoided."

In a morning of speculation at Westminster, Mr Davis's chances of resigning - and delivering a damaging departure from Mrs May's cabinet - had earlier been judged at "50-50" by a source close to the Brexit secretary.

Tory MP Nadine Dorries had also ramped up the political drama by citing Mr Davis's SAS training, as she warned he is "trained to survive" but also "trained to take people out".

After his talks with the prime minister, allies of Mr Davis immediately claimed victory by insisting "much more detail" would be provided on the time-limited nature of the government's backstop proposal.

A source close to Mr Davis said: "Obviously there's been a back and forth on this paper, as there always is when the government publishes anything.

"The backstop paper has been amended and now expresses, in much more detail, the time limited nature of our proposal - something the prime minister and David Davis have always been committed to."

Following his around half hour-long meeting with Mrs May, Number 10 revealed the prime minister expected Mr Davis to remain in his position.

The cabinet agreed the new backstop plan last month, but Brexiteers recently became concerned it would leave the UK closely-aligned to the EU as a default long-term solution without a clear time limit.

Labour's shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer characterised Thursday's events as "another embarrassing day for the government".

He said: "The clock is ticking on the Brexit process and it is imperative that an agreement is struck which will protect jobs, the economy and ensure there is no hard border in Northern Ireland.

"Instead, with the threat of a cabinet resignation, Theresa May has signed up to a flawed proposal which is inconsistent with her earlier commitments.

"The prime minister should urgently rethink her decision and back Labour's call for a new comprehensive customs union and new deal with the single market after Brexit."

Fellow Labour MP Chris Leslie, who supports a referendum on the final Brexit deal as part of the People's Vote campaign, said: "This would be laughable if it weren't so serious.

"After weeks of the Government negotiating with itself, the fudged document they have produced doesn't engage with any of the key Brexit dilemmas and is highly unlikely to lead to anything but more gridlock in the ongoing talks with the EU."

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-...s-after-david-davis-resignation-talk-11397395

So we're having a Brexit without any Brexit in practice until 2022... :crylaugh:

At which point, a new government will probably make a new referendum.
 
Which in turn turns them against Brexit, read the sentence again, slowly.
You read it again, slowly.

I can easily understand increased fear when it comes to brexit when the people have to suffer through the deliberately incompetent pro-EU idiots charged with making it work. I'd also be against this kind of brexit, that doesn't mean I'd be against any kind of brexit ...
 
You read it again, slowly.

I can easily understand increased fear when it comes to brexit when the people have to suffer through the deliberately incompetent pro-EU idiots charged with making it work. I'd also be against this kind of brexit, that doesn't mean I'd be against any kind of brexit ...

The incompetency of May to negotiate turns people against Brexit.

What's so hard to understand?
 
against this type of brexit, I ask you the same: what's so hard to understand?

Point is, if they had to vote with the same question again, they'd vote no.

Spin it how you want, it's the consequence.
 
:D because a poll said so? Remind me what the polls said about the original referendum? Or the last US election? ... :rolleyes:

Do you have anything more accurate?

Obviously, the false claims about Brexit now debunked (NHS, migrants, borders...) and the sluggish economy would not have any kind of impact at all on a part of the population.

The result of the last elections where the Tories couldn't keep their majority is not an indicator either and went from 330 to 317 seats does not show this either.

51.89% of the British voters are still firmly for the Brexit and nothing will make them blink.
 
The result of the last elections where the Tories couldn't keep their majority is not an indicator either and went from 330 to 317 seats does not show this either.

The Tories are anti-Brexit and pro-EU, I'm quite surprised they weren't punished harder than that ...
 
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