The Brexit Thread

[f2wohf]

The Tories are anti-Brexit and pro-EU, I'm quite surprised they weren't punished harder than that ...

Yet British are dumb enough to vote for Brexit and for an anti Brexit party.

I think voting rights should be taken away from the British and given back to the Queen, they are really too stupid to be allowed to vote in this case!

 

[Dave]

The people are losing faith in the negotiators, not the exit ...

Nice selective quoting, why not read the article again and this time note that there are 2 separate issues discussed.

First:

The proportion of people who disagree with leaving the EU has reached a high of 47 per cent – a record 7 points ahead of the 40 per cent who still back the decision.

Second:

Significantly, no fewer than 62 per cent of voters said the government was handling Brexit negotiations badly, with just 23 per cent backing ministers.

Only 81 per cent of those who backed Leave in 2016 said they still believed it was the right decision – with 9 per cent now saying it was wrong.

Does that help your understanding?

 

[Dave]

51.89% of the British voters who were allowed to vote, excluding the million plus living in the EU27 (and South Africa)

Actually less than that, 51.89% of the 72% of the electorate who voted.

[-]From memory[/-] the Leave vote is around [-]37%[/-] 34.7% of the electorate.

Edit

As we already know, at the referendum Leave won 51.89 per cent of the vote and Remain won 48.11 per cent. The Electoral Commission reports that the overall turnout was 72.21 percent. These figures imply that 34.73 per cent of the entire electorate voted to Remain.

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/what-if-everyone-had-voted-in-the-eu-referendum/

 

[The_Assimilator]

Boris Johnson 'warns of Brexit meltdown'

He reportedly added: "You've got to face the fact there may now be a meltdown. OK? I don't want anybody to panic during the meltdown. No panic. Pro bono publico, no bloody panic. It's going to be all right in the end."

Brexit will be "irreversible" and will happen, Mr Johnson said, but the "risk is that it will not be the one we want".

He was said to have described concerns over the border between Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic as "pure millennium bug stuff" and suggested Chancellor Philip Hammond's department was "basically the heart of Remain".

Mr Johnson said fears about the Irish border were out of proportion, saying: "It's so small and there are so few firms that actually use that border regularly, it's just beyond belief that we're allowing the tail to wag the dog in this way.

Out of touch and out of time.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Does that help your understanding?

No help was needed, it sure reaffirms it though yes.

 

[buka001]

It is so typical of the pro-Brexit camp. The reasons people stated that Brexit was a bad idea were numerous. Some of which detailed that no realistic, workable agreement would be reached in time leading to a "Brexit" that is unfavourable to all.

Pro-Brexit camps just moans that its the politicians fault. No its your fault. Your fault at falling to understand how complex international trade agreements work, failing to understand how various treaties and other co-operative agreements work.

 

[f2wohf]

It is so typical of the pro-Brexit camp. The reasons people stated that Brexit was a bad idea were numerous. Some of which detailed that no realistic, workable agreement would be reached in time leading to a "Brexit" that is unfavourable to all.

Pro-Brexit camps just moans that its the politicians fault. No its your fault. Your fault at falling to understand how complex international trade agreements work, failing to understand how various treaties and other co-operative agreements work.

Or a biased nationalistic blinkered perception and almost religious belief that against all evidence the Great Britain (who calls itself Great anyway?) could do in less than 2 years than other countries struggle to do in 5 years (conclude trade agreements).

Massive delusion of grandeur there.

 

[The_Assimilator]

Your fault at falling to understand how complex international trade agreements work, failing to understand how various treaties and other co-operative agreements work.

Incorrect. They choose not to understand how these important and intricate things work - in other words they choose to be ignorant. That makes them less useful than the immigrants they hate and fear so much, and is a large factor in that fear: if you know you're a useless deadweight to society, you'll obviously be concerned that someone who is willing to adjust and adapt will "take" your job.

The great irony, of course, is that it is capitalism that almost guarantees you'll be replaced by someone who is more productive than you. Yet do you see Brexiteers attacking capitalism? No, because either the prospect of questioning one of their holy cows turns their cognitive dissonance up to 11, or they simply aren't capable of thinking far enough to do so.

 

[rietrot]

Actually less than that, 51.89% of the 72% of the electorate who voted.

[-]From memory[/-] the Leave vote is around [-]37%[/-] 34.7% of the electorate.

Edit

Sorry that's just not how stats work. You can't murder the numbers that way to decrease the leave side. People who didn't vote don't get counted and if you count them the sample size was big enough for the trend to follow.

 

[Dave]

Or a biased nationalistic blinkered perception and almost religious belief that against all evidence the Great Britain (who calls itself Great anyway?)

You'd need to blame the French for that, it was called Great Britain (Grande Bretagne) to differentiate it from Brittany (Bretagne) which has also been called Lesser Britain in the past.

 

[Dave]

Sorry that's just not how stats work. You can't murder the numbers that way to decrease the leave side. People who didn't vote don't get counted and if you count them the sample size was big enough for the trend to follow.

Are you slow or really not clever enough to understand?

The post I quoted stated:

51.89% of the British voters who were allowed to vote, excluding the million plus living in the EU27 (and South Africa)

Which is incorrect and I therefore used the correct figures, it's an easily proven fact that the Leave vote was 34.73% of the electorate.

It's really simple, even stupid people should be able to understand that fact from the clear explanation which I included in the post.

As we already know, at the referendum Leave won 51.89 per cent of the vote and Remain won 48.11 per cent. The Electoral Commission reports that the overall turnout was 72.21 percent. These figures imply that 34.73 per cent of the entire electorate voted to Remain.

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/what-if-everyone-had-voted-in-the-eu-referendum/

 

[f2wohf]

You'd need to blame the French for that, it was called Great Britain (Grande Bretagne) to differentiate it from Brittany (Bretagne) which has also been called Lesser Britain in the past.

Northern Britain? Western Britain? Britain Island? Isle of Britain? Another name than Britain? Prettanike?

These people really can’t do anything on their own.

 

[Dave]

Northern Britain? Western Britain? Britain Island? Isle of Britain? Another name than Britain? Prettanike?

These people really can’t do anything on their own.

You don't quite understand geographical terms in English, do you? It stems from Great Britain and Lesser Britain, over time it became Great Britain and Brittany. The origin is not the one you're trying to add, it's the definition meaning the larger or bigger one.

Denoting the larger or largest part of a place.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/great

 

[f2wohf]

You don't quite understand geographical terms in English, do you? It stems from Great Britain and Lesser Britain, over time it became Great Britain and Brittany. The origin is not the one you're trying to add, it's the definition meaning the larger or bigger one.



https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/great

Still sounds presumptuous!

Prettanike was perfect. Albion is good too.

 

[Dave]

Albion is good too.

But then those arrogant Frenchies arrived in 1066 and Albion wasn't good enough anymore

 

[f2wohf]

But then those arrogant Frenchies arrived in 1066 and Albion wasn't good enough anymore

And you kept a French name in addition...

 

[buka001]

Northern Britain? Western Britain? Britain Island? Isle of Britain? Another name than Britain? Prettanike?

These people really can’t do anything on their own.

I am on a joint venture construction project here in the UK, between a French construction company and a UK one (I actually work for the French company). It leaves me to wonder how the hell the great UK-French joint ventures, such as Concorde and the Channel Tunnel, were completed, without some people "disappearing".

 

[Dave]

And you kept a French name in addition...

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It was actually the man with the French name that started all this crap...

 

[f2wohf]

I am on a joint venture construction project here in the UK, between a French construction company and a UK one (I actually work for the French company). It leaves me to wonder how the hell the great UK-French joint ventures, such as Concorde and the Channel Tunnel, were completed, without some people "disappearing".

Are you sure nobody disappeared? You have 4 deaths here (no English article sorry) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_du_tunnel_sous_la_Manche

My father actually worked on the channel tunnel project for the French side.

TBH, I lived 2 years with a British housemate amongst other housemates. He’s the only one of the maybe 5 housemates that went by over the years with whom I’m not close friend (we get along well but wouldn’t do something just the two of us) and we still cannot fathom each other’s way of thinking.

 

[buka001]

Are you sure nobody disappeared? You have 4 deaths here (no English article sorry) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Construction_du_tunnel_sous_la_Manche

My father actually worked on the channel tunnel project for the French side.

I know a few who worked on the UK side.

Yeah, just never seen such a diametrically apposed way of going to work. The UK way is 180 degrees to the French way. We have 7 years to go. I don't know how some will make it!