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No red tapes at all obviously.

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Some of the reactions:

The deputy director-general of the CBI, a business lobby group, said the papers showed that “those who claim crashing out of the EU on World Trade Organization rules is acceptable live in a world of fantasy”. “It’s right and responsible that the government have supplied information to businesses on issues from financial services passporting to food labelling, all of which will help lower the risks of the harshest outcomes from a ‘no deal’ Brexit. But without a similar response from the EU, many of these mitigating measures would be blunted,” Josh Hardie, the deputy director-general, said.

But the Federation of Small Businesses did not agree that the notices provided clarity. “Anyone without real expertise won’t be able to make head nor tail of these documents,” said national chairman Mike Cherry.

“It’s all very well for the Government to suggest that small businesses ensure they have the software, freight forwarders and brokers needed to make customs declarations in the event of a chaotic no deal,”
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https://www.ft.com/content/ff15c45e-a6cd-11e8-926a-7342fe5e173f
 
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Not really Brexit, but wasn't worth a thread shows the level of lunacy around:

Ministry of Defence sources are reportedly "at their wits end" with Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson. Grappling with a £20 billion shortfall in the defence budget, the Tory minister has suggested mounting "really expensive guns" on tractors, disguising mobile missile defence systems as Coca-Cola lorries and turning old commercial ferries into beach assault craft, according to the Sun.

A source told the newspaper: "Gavin just came out with it. He said, ‘Can’t we buy tractors and put really expensive guns on them?’ People were open-mouthed. Others didn’t know where to look. It was totally bizarre."
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https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/...ractors?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=dlvr.it
 
OrbitalDawn said:
lol, just when you think NBFTW couldn't more loopy. Now everyone is actually anti-Brexit, even if they're on record as being pro-Brexit and have been for basically ever. :laugh:
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Anyone who thinks Mr Tax Avoiding Somerset Capital Rees-Mugg is anti Brexit is certifiably insane ;)
 
OrbitalDawn said:
lol, just when you think NBFTW couldn't be more loopy. Now everyone is actually anti-Brexit, even if they're on record as being pro-Brexit and have been for basically ever. :laugh:
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Bojo was certainly not anti-brexit forever, Corbyn I've already provided irrefutable proof for. So your issue is with Rees-Mogg?

The very same Rees-Mogg who tells brexiteers not to join Torries to support him as they don't need single issue members? https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-tells-leaveeu-dont-join-tories-on-my-account

Puhlease, he's another fair weather brexiteer, just like Bojo.
 
GBP being destroyed by Greece's currency. :laugh: Wonder if UKIP will change their logo?
 
Even the WTO is not ready for Brexit.

WTO chief, Roberto Azevêdo has warned that it's unrealistic for the UK to start trading on WTO rules immediately after Brexit, as it would be tricky to reach 100% agreement between members before March.

https://t.co/DCyFsrOdzb?amp=1
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Rees-Mogg has an idea for the Irish border question.

https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2018/08/...after-suggesting-troubles-model/?guccounter=1
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I used to work for HMC&E. In 1998 or so my team conducted checks on a cross border train, and on lorries at the border using an officially provided mobile office adapted from a lorry.

There were no permanent full time checks, but there were occasional checks (for prohibited substances). Those who tell you different are presumably pursuing an agenda. The only thing that has changed since then is the 'merger' of C&E with the Inland Revenue, and the devolution of some work formerly laid to HMRC to the Border Agency. Perhaps in all the turmoil they forgot what they were supposed to be doing.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
lol, just when you think NBFTW couldn't be more loopy. Now everyone is actually anti-Brexit, even if they're on record as being pro-Brexit and have been for basically ever. :laugh:
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Not so, with the caveat that as I am not of the 'Metropolitan Elite' I am a nobody. I am not anti Brexit, and have never been such.

I am part Irish, and my grandfather was a Sinn Feiner until he resigned in disgust over 'the troubles'. I am aware that the Irish, or some of them, fought for independence. It seems strange to me that they now think the UK should not leave the EU as it could adversely affect the interests of the Republic. Having your cake and eating it?

I was in the Republic just after the referendum, and got some (polite) stick on the subject! What did get right up my nose was the Irish Sunday Times letter page, where someone called Martha Lane Fox, who made a pile by co founding a website calle 'lastminute.com' and selling it on, bemoaned the referendum result, and in so doing claimed to be a member of the 'Metropolitan elite'. Self appointed apparently. Insufferable! They seem to think they know better than the rest of us what is good for us. I do not see these people as any sort of elite. Nor do I defer to them.
 
Frequent visitor said:
Not so, with the caveat that as I am not of the 'Metropolitan Elite' I am a nobody. I am not anti Brexit, and have never been such.
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OD has intentionally misrepresented my words, that's his usual tactic, pay it no mind. I never said everyone is anti Brexit, my exact words were:
NarrowBandFtw said:
Every single Torrie AND Labour politician is anti-brexit
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and I stand by it
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
OD has intentionally misrepresented my words, that's his usual tactic, pay it no mind. I never said everyone is anti Brexit, my exact words were:Reply

and I stand by it
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No, he is not misrepresenting your words. Anyone who has been following the thread of the current conversation can clearly see that he is referring to you your claim that certain pro-brexit politicians have been anti-Brexit all along.
 
f2wohf said:
No red tapes at all obviously.

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Some of the reactions:



https://www.ft.com/content/ff15c45e-a6cd-11e8-926a-7342fe5e173f
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Why can't the UK remain in the EAA (assuming thry can join EFTA)? EFTA members like Norway, Iceland etc are still EAA members with mostly free trade and only limited restrictions and thy are not EU members. What stops the UK from joining EFTA thus gaining similar status to other EFTA members? Is their conditions in EFTA that are similar to the EU that were reason for them to withdraw?

Just wondering...
 
ponder said:
Why can't the UK remain in the EAA (assuming thry can join EFTA)? EFTA members like Norway, Iceland etc are still EAA members with mostly free trade and only limited restrictions and thy are not EU members. What stops the UK from joining EFTA thus gaining similar status to other EFTA members? Is their conditions in EFTA that are similar to the EU that were reason for them to withdraw?

Just wondering...
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They don't want to because they don't want to remain in the single market.
 
ponder said:
Why can't the UK remain in the EAA (assuming thry can join EFTA)? EFTA members like Norway, Iceland etc are still EAA members with mostly free trade and only limited restrictions and thy are not EU members. What stops the UK from joining EFTA thus gaining similar status to other EFTA members? Is their conditions in EFTA that are similar to the EU that were reason for them to withdraw?

Just wondering...
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Probably because only a hard Brexit would get the U.K. out of the Anti Tax Avoidance Directive coming in 2019, people like Rees-Mogg are terrified of becoming liable to the oversight the new tax rules will have on tax evasion/avoidance.

These wealthy Conservative supporters would be aware that in June 2016 the European Council adopted the Directive (EU) 2016/1164 laying down rules against tax avoidance practices within the EU – but they don’t want you to know that.

This is the EU Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive, complementing the existing rule on hybrid mismatches. Member states are required to apply the five legally binding anti-abuse measures from January 1 2019. See: bit.ly/EuTaxAvoidance.

It creates a minimum level of protection against corporate tax avoidance throughout the EU, while ensuring a fairer and more stable environment for business.

The complex UK taxation system, coupled to the many UK tax havens, currently provides a lucrative financial minefield ripe for individual and corporate tax evasion. Within the EU umbrella this would mean UK companies would have to pay billions of pounds in UK taxation that they are currently avoiding.

After Brexit many Conservative supporters will no doubt be pleased that they will be able to continue with their tax-evasion schemes.
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http://www.thenational.scot/communi...x-avoidance_crackdown_the_reason_for_Brexit_/
 
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