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Dave said:
UK logistics complained won’t have them, it’s fairly obvious you don’t quite understand the issue, no UK shipping company is going to have stock of these, they’ve never needed them and due to the additional costs incurred wouldn’t have ever thought of sourcing them before this obscure regulation was suddenly discovered.
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Shipping companies in the UK will not. Shipping companies in the EU would... you are seriously missing something here. Have you ever had to deal with a shipping company? I suspect you have not. I have dealt with BMW amd Mercedes parts beund shipped to and from there via SA as the production line was running to make sure stock don't run out. While the plant is running 24/7. In cases had to fly and collect emergency parts as hand luggage.

You have no idea wtf you talking about. It's not an issue as big as you want it to be. And secondly, it's not Govermnet's fault the companies didn't plan ahead accordingly
 
Pitbull said:
Manufaturing companies of these palets would gladly accept the bigger demand and up production. It's good for business... You saying they will decline demand for higher production and making bucketloads of money? I wish I was in the palet industry now...
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Not denying that.

Can they produce enough in 30 days though?

Do they have spare capacity on their production lines?

The EU standard is also very specific on any damaged pallet being unacceptable.

That makes a lot of ifs that should have been sorted months ago.
 
Pitbull said:
You have no idea wtf you talking about. It's not an issue as big as you want it to be. And secondly, it's not Govermnet's fault the companies didn't plan ahead accordingly
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It is the Government's fault if the company have absolutely no visibility on whether they need or don't need such pallets.
 
f2wohf said:
Not denying that.

Can they produce enough in 30 days though?

Do they have spare capacity on their production lines?

The EU standard is also very specific on any damaged pallet being unacceptable.

That makes a lot of ifs that should have been sorted months ago.
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Highly doubt it, but they would be able to source palets from shipping companies who have in yards stacked for miles. Palets are used multiple times from one destination to another. It's re-used. I'm pretty confident companies importing things from the EU will already have some palets in stock from their suppliers
 
Dave said:
Why would shipping companies in the EU have them? They aren’t a requirement for EU countries.
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Why would they used two different standards? They import from non-EU countries too (EU) so they wil have EU approved palets already
 
f2wohf said:
No, I don't see the news as negative. Good for the UK.

Just won't make the moves stop.
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My understanding is that part of the attraction of the UK for financial services was its location and membership of the EU. So it is unknown what the financial services future will be like once they are no longer in the EU. It may be negative overall.
 
Pitbull said:
Why would they used two different standards? They import from non-EU countries too (EU) so they wil have EU approved palets already
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And I'm sure that they don't just store these pallets while waiting to find what to do with it.

They ship it back and keep it stored and unused as little as possible (makes no sense economically to just pile it).

The UK needing it would come as a disruption for them.
 
noxibox said:
My understanding is that part of the attraction of the UK for financial services was its location and membership of the EU. So it is unknown what the financial services future will be like once they are no longer in the EU. It may be negative overall.
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Sure, I was just being nice!
 
Pitbull said:
Why would they used two different standards?
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That’s the problem, there are multiple standards. There’s even a different standard just for UK pallets.

Standard UK pallet is 1200x1000, this new EU pallet is 1200x800, there are also 1200x1200 pallets in use.

EU pallet (note the stamps on the edge).

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f2wohf said:
And I'm sure that they don't just store these pallets while waiting to find what to do with it.

They ship it back and keep it stored and unused as little as possible (makes no sense economically to just pile it).

The UK needing it would come as a disruption for them.
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They use them. Let me picture it for you: I make toilet paper and import paper from Sappi in SA. These rolles gets shipped to my plant in the UK on approved palets. I ship my toilet paper again from my company to SA and other EU companies to re-sell. I receive EU complaint palets but dont needs it in the EU. Do I re-use EU complaint palets for my shipping, ofc I do. Do I suppliment my palet requirement with non-standard ones when I run short for shipping in the EU which I assume is cheaper? Sure.

After Brexit, I need to supliment my current EU compliant palets with EU approved palets "if" I export to the EU. Which I'll do. I'll source them fom other companies outside the EU as their palets will be up to standard.
 
theratman said:
Never seen such passion when it comes to pallets
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It’s not the pallets per se, it’s the sheer stupidity of the lack of planning and the apparent gormlessness of the no deal proponents who haven’t even thought the basics (like these pallets) through. No deal was only viable if they had started planning for it two years ago.
 
Dave said:
That’s the problem, there are multiple standards. There’s even a different standard just for UK pallets.

Standard UK pallet is 1200x1000, this new EU pallet is 1200x800, there are also 1200x1200 pallets in use.

EU pallet (note the stamps on the edge).

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Again, still not a problem. Countries outside the EU exporting to the EU will have these palets and companies there will be able to manufacture them as required.
 
Dave said:
It’s not the pallets per se, it’s the sheer stupidity of the lack of planning and the apparent gormlessness of the no deal proponents who haven’t even thought the basics (like these pallets) through. No deal was only viable if they had started planning for it two years ago.
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Again, that is companies lack of planning. Nothing to do with Pro-brexit and government
 
Pitbull said:
They use them. Let me picture it for you: I make toilet paper and import paper from Sappi in SA. These rolles gets shipped to my plant in the UK on approved palets. I ship my toilet paper again from my company to SA and other EU companies to re-sell. I receive EU complaint palets but dont needs it in the EU. Do I re-use EU complaint palets for my shipping, ofc I do. Do I suppliment my palet requirement with non-standard ones when I run short for shipping in the EU which I assume is cheaper? Sure.

After Brexit, I need to supliment my current EU compliant palets with EU approved palets "if" I export to the EU. Which I'll do. I'll source them fom other companies outside the EU as their palets will be up to standard.
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So it becomes a logistical nightmare to sort it in a month, instead of planning to do so ahead.

You then don't have enough compliant pallets in SA to ship back to Europe, your toilet papers shipment from SA gets delayed while waiting for the replacement pallets.

My point.
 
Dave said:
That’s the problem, there are multiple standards. There’s even a different standard just for UK pallets.

Standard UK pallet is 1200x1000, this new EU pallet is 1200x800, there are also 1200x1200 pallets in use.

EU pallet (note the stamps on the edge).

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Even inside France, you have 1200x1100 and 1200x800.

1200x800 is compulsory and the only one acceptable for imports coming from non EU members.

https://www.chep.com/fr/fr/consumer-goods/platforms/pallets
 
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