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Finally we're getting somewhere. Hopefully they reject the extension and extra referendum nonsense and just do a hard exit.

Listening to parliament last night, sound like the majority want a deal, but one that is in the UK's favour and inline with what the people of the UK voted for. I have a suspicion they will vote for a new deal and an extension, it was made pretty clear yesterday they will only vote and agree to a new deal if there is a clear and distinctive date not to far ahead in the future.

If not, we might see a No-Deal exit tonight.

I'm actually hoping for a new deal, it's unlikely though
 
Listening to parliament last night, sound like the majority want a deal, but one that is in the UK's favour and inline with what the people of the UK voted for. I have a suspicion they will vote for a new deal and an extension, it was made pretty clear yesterday they will only vote and agree to a new deal if there is a clear and distinctive date not to far ahead in the future.

If not, we might see a No-Deal exit tonight.

I'm actually hoping for a new deal, it's unlikely though
I was under the impression the EU had already rejected any possibility of reopening negotiations for any other deal
 
I was under the impression the EU had already rejected any possibility of reopening negotiations for any other deal

Not according to May...

Unless she plans on having a vote again on the same deal just shot down last night
 
No deal tarrifs revealed:

Skynews

The tariffs in event of a no-deal Brexit

The government has announced that 87% of all goods entering the country would face zero tariffs if the UK leaves the EU without a deal.

Among the 13% of imports by value which will be subject to tariffs will be:

:: Beef, lamb, pork and poultry and some dairy products, in order to protect UK farmers and producers from cheap imports

:: A number of tariffs on finished vehicles to support the automotive sector, which will not apply to car parts imported from the EU to prevent disruption to supply chains

:: Products including certain ceramics, fertiliser and fuel, where tariffs protect UK producers against unfair practices like dumping and state subsidies

:: Goods including bananas, raw cane sugar and certain kinds of fish, where tariffs are used to permit preferential access to the UK market for developing countries

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal on 29 March the temporary schedules will apply for up to 12 months while a full consultation and review of a permanent approach is undertaken.

Proposed tariff rates on a range of food products were announced as a proportion of the so-called "most favoured nation" (MFN) currently imposed by the EU on imports from countries which do not have a free trade agreement.

Rates include beef (53% of MFN), poultry meat (60%), sheep meat (100%), pig meat (13%), butter (32%), Cheddar-like cheese (13%), protected fish and seafood products (100%) and milled and semi-milled products (83%).

Tariffs on finished cars and trucks will be set at 10.6%, down from the EU MFN rate of 11.3%, while for finished buses the rate will remain unchanged at 12.6%.

Other rates include 0.2% on mineral products, 0.1% on chemical products, 2.1 on fertilisers, 0.1% on plastics and rubber, 0.2% on leather and hides, 0.9% on textiles and textile products, 0.3% on stone and cement, 1.2% on ceramics, 0.2% on glass and 2.9% on transport equipment.

Govt: No checks on goods between NI and Ireland after no-deal Brexit

The UK Government will not introduce any new checks or controls on goods moving across the land border into Northern Ireland if the UK leaves the European Union without a deal, it has been announced.

The government says it would remove all border checks between Ireland and Northern Ireland except a "small number of measures strictly to comply with international obligations, protect the biosecurity of the island of Ireland, or to avoid the highest risks to Northern Ireland business".

Under a temporary and unilateral regime, EU goods arriving from the Republic and remaining in Northern Ireland will not be subject to tariffs.

However, tariffs will be payable on goods moving from the EU into the rest of the UK via Northern Ireland under a schedule of rates also released on Wednesday.

The government insists that this will not create a border down the Irish Sea, as there will be no checks on goods moving between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

Instead, normal compliance and intelligence methods will be used to detect any traders attempting to abuse the system.

Ministers accepted that the new regime will cause "concerns" to Northern Irish businesses and farmers about the impact on their competitiveness.

But they said these were the only steps that could be taken to deliver on the Government's commitment to avoiding a hard border in the case of no deal.

This actually looks better than the deal from May :D
 
So Theresa May will personally vote to block No Deal. Her Remoaner colours in full flight!

Theresa May is expected to vote to block a no deal Brexit today, as Parliament seizes control of the process.

The Prime Minister has offered Tory MPs a free vote on the issue, to the fury of Brexiteers, who have pointed out that keeping no-deal on the table was a manifesto commitment.

She appeared to confirm that she would join those voting to block no deal, telling the Commons she had “personally struggled with this choice” and “passionately believes” that leaving the EU with a deal was best for the country.

Nigel Dodds, the DUP’s Westminster leader, said Mrs May’s decision was “totally self-defeating” and “utterly counter-productive” because the EU would only offer a worse deal once the threat of no-deal was off the table. He accused Cabinet ministers who threatened to resign if they were not given a free vote – Amber Rudd, David Gauke and Greg Clark – of “undermining” the Prime Minister.
 
So Theresa May will personally vote to block No Deal. Her Remoaner colours in full flight!
Why would she support no deal when she's worked so hard to negotiate/salvage a deal all this time?

In any case, in the event of a no-deal (if it happens), is there such a negative implication for the UK? They surely have the economic muscle to negotiate an acceptable trade deal with the EU? They may have to take some pain in the beginning as the economy dips somewhat but they can rebuild once they have a deal in place. Does EU membership affect how they deal with non-EU territories, if so then a no-deal is probably a good deal for them in the long run.
 
No deal tarrifs revealed:

Skynews





This actually looks better than the deal from May :D
Zero tariffs on imports=screws local UK manufactures
WTO tariffs on UK exports to other countries=screws local UK exporters(the same manufacturers who also have to compete with zero import tariff protection)

The art of the deal, Tory style.
 
Zero tariffs on imports=screws local UK manufactures
WTO tariffs on UK exports to other countries=screws local UK exporters(the same manufacturers who also have to compete with zero import tariff protection)

The art of the deal, Tory style.

Not at all.

That is how trading works. They impose tariffs on things they produce locally like meat and dairy as an example and zero rate things they need from outside. You saw the tariffs on meat and dairy produce right?
 
Nope. As Rees-Mogg says, the current parliament is highly unrepresentative with regards to the referendum result, hence the current impasse. There are too many small-minded, mediocre bullies who would rather defy democracy itself than risk any adjustment to their own sense of entitlement.


lol @ "defy democracy itself". You know the UK Parliament is the supreme legislative authority, not ambiguous non-legally binding referenda.
 
Why would she support no deal when she's worked so hard to negotiate/salvage a deal all this time?

In any case, in the event of a no-deal (if it happens), is there such a negative implication for the UK? They surely have the economic muscle to negotiate an acceptable trade deal with the EU? They may have to take some pain in the beginning as the economy dips somewhat but they can rebuild once they have a deal in place. Does EU membership affect how they deal with non-EU territories, if so then a no-deal is probably a good deal for them in the long run.

They haven't been able to do so for like 2.5 years. What's changed?
 
"Theresa May has been defeated by four votes, because MPs have backed the Spelman amendment ruling out a no-deal Brexit for good by 312 votes to 308."

Spelman amendment:

"Line 1, leave out from “house” to end and add “rejects the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a withdrawal agreement and a framework for the future relationship.” "
 
"Theresa May has been defeated by four votes, because MPs have backed the Spelman amendment ruling out a no-deal Brexit for good by 312 votes to 308."

Spelman amendment:

"Line 1, leave out from “house” to end and add “rejects the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a withdrawal agreement and a framework for the future relationship.” "

This probably makes more sense of the amendment.

3. UK’S WITHDRAWAL FRoM THE EURoPEAN UNIoN
Until 7.00pm (Business of the House (Today) motion, if agreed to)
The Prime Minister
That this House declines to approve leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship on 29 March 2019; and notes that leaving without a deal remains the default in UK and EU law unless this House and the EU ratify an agreement.

Amendment (a)

Line 1, leave out from “House” to end and add “rejects the United Kingdom leaving the European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement and a Framework for the Future Relationship.”.

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmagenda/OP190313v2.pdf#page6
 
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