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Brexiteers are going to be even more angry if the Torygraph story being reported tonight is correct.

Theresa May to consider giving MPs vote on second referendum in bid to break Brexit deadlock with Labour

Theresa May is considering giving MPs a vote on whether to hold a second referendum in a bid to break the deadlock in negotiations with Labour, The Telegraph can disclose.

The Prime Minister held discussions with Cabinet ministers in Downing Street on Monday about the prospect of holding a Commons vote on whether to enshrine a commitment to a second referendum in law.
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...siders-giving-mps-vote-second-referendum-bid/
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Haha, that'll be pretty funny.

The confirmatory vote option got the most votes every time when the HoC were busy with those lists of amendments.
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Didn’t it fail by a single digit number of votes on its last vote? Remembering that if it’s a govt proposal next time, unless it’s a free vote I think ministers will be expected to vote for it, fun times.
 
Dave said:
Didn’t it fail by a single digit number of votes on its last vote? Remembering that if it’s a govt proposal next time, unless it’s a free vote I think ministers will be expected to vote for it, fun times.
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Yeah, it was pretty close. I don't think either major party whipped for it, which will be different if they do it this way, as you say.

Fun times.
 
Pretty remarkable work here about all the EU laws and directives that the UK supposedly has 'forced' on it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1105856666136969216

Out of 35K pieces of Westminster legislation, only 4K were EU-led, only 72 against our wishes.

I went through all 72 Directives that HMG opposed but still got passed https://twitter.com/mac_puck/status/1087365509509713920 … and the 89 CJEU judgements against HMG https://twitter.com/mac_puck/status/1093158790394978304 …

TLDR: I discovered that WE were the bad guys in EVERY SINGLE case.
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OrbitalDawn said:
Pretty remarkable work here about all the EU laws and directives that the UK supposedly has 'forced' on it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1105856666136969216
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I have been saying this since this whole Brexit story came up. Even before the vote.

Facts say 0.2% of UK legislation was imposed on the UK by the EU.

Feelings say that the UK has no control, even though the Brexit messiah Mogg has demonstrated that the UK has plenty of control in the EU legislature.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Yeah, it was pretty close. I don't think either major party whipped for it, which will be different if they do it this way, as you say.

Fun times.
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Actually Labour whipped for it but continue spreading nonsense...whatever makes you comfortable that there is "good" support for a 2nd referendum. And actually the Customs Union was closest in indicative votes between the two sides.

OrbitalDawn said:
Pretty remarkable work here about all the EU laws and directives that the UK supposedly has 'forced' on it.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1105856666136969216
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Wait, believing a person who goes on about Putin (kind of like the "muh Russia" Trump investigation) ? Hilarious!
 
jack_spratt said:
Keep holding referendums until you get the NO Brexit vote. :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
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The last election was effectively just that. The main difference being is that a referendum carries no legal weight while an election does.
:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

Edit: the last election was also a big “f### you” to the Tory Brexiteers and UKIP :)
 
Dave said:
Brexiteers are going to be even more angry if the Torygraph story being reported tonight is correct.



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politic...siders-giving-mps-vote-second-referendum-bid/
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Did you also quite conveniently, it must be said, forget to paste some crucial paragraphs?

Julian Smith, the chief whip, is understood to be "confident" that the Government has the numbers to defeat a bid by Labour to hold a second referendum in the Commons.
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However Mr Corbyn has said a second referendum should only be held to avoid a no deal or a "disastrous Tory Brexit". Rebecca Long-Bailey, the shadow business secretary and part of the negotiating team, has repeatedly warned against one.
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:rolleyes:

Keep dreaming that the government will whip for a 2nd ref...
 
zippy said:
The last election was effectively just that. The main difference being is that a referendum carries no legal weight while an election does.
:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

Edit: the last election was also a big “f### you” to the Tory Brexiteers and UKIP :)
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Which is why the Tories got the most seats by far....

:rolleyes:
 
zippy said:
The last election was effectively just that. The main difference being is that a referendum carries no legal weight while an election does.
:ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:

Edit: the last election was also a big “f### you” to the Tory Brexiteers and UKIP :)
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I see your point, but maybe the Brexiteers felt they got what they wanted and there was no need to vote in General?

Mission Accomplished and all that.
 
With 0 councillors, 0 activists and I'm guessing very few resources, Nigel Farage's new Brexit party is, according to the bookies, likely to come in 2nd place in the EU elections and we're still 6 weeks out, plenty of time for the odds to move! Not sure why Tories would even put up MEPs...don't know what they will campaign on!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1115330641606787072
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
With 0 councillors, 0 activists and I'm guessing very few resources, Nigel Farage's new Brexit party is, according to the bookies, likely to come in 2nd place in the EU elections and we're still 6 weeks out, plenty of time for the odds to move! Not sure why Tories would even put up MEPs...don't know what they will campaign on!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1115330641606787072
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I made some good money off the UK bookies when I bet on Trump being president. The odds were stacked against him.
 
buka001 said:
I have been saying this since this whole Brexit story came up. Even before the vote.

Facts say 0.2% of UK legislation was imposed on the UK by the EU.

Feelings say that the UK has no control, even though the Brexit messiah Mogg has demonstrated that the UK has plenty of control in the EU legislature.
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Being disingenuous on purpose I see.

The whole control issue was with regards to border control, specifically EU passport holders.
 
Pitbull said:
Being disingenuous on purpose I see.

The whole control issue was with regards to border control, specifically EU passport holders.
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Both actually.

And the UK has control. It can expel anyone who fails to secure work in a specific timeline. The fact that they never bothered to implement it, is well their own problem and not the EU.
 
buka001 said:
I made some good money off the UK bookies when I bet on Trump being president. The odds were stacked against him.
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Depends on how much progress the Brexit party make in Labour areas of North West and North East England I guess. He already has a lock on the East & South East.

Exclusive: Liam Fox tells Tory MPs that Customs Union will be 'worst of both worlds' in leaked letter

In the letter he said: "We would be stuck in the worst of both Worlds, not only unable to set our own international trade policy but subject, without representation, to the policy of an entity over which MPs would have no democractic control.

"This is something that Labour do not presently seem to understand. As I said at the meeting, in such a scenario the UK would have a new role in the global trading system.

"We would ourselves be traded. As the famous saying in Brussels goes, if you are not at the table, you are on the menu."

He said that the UK he highlighted comments he made to the 1922 committee last week. "I pointed out to the meeting that a customs union between the UK and the EU is not a meeting of equals.

"A customs union - where the UK was obliged to implement the common customs tariff - would allow the EU to negotiate access to UK markets as part of EU trade policy, irrespective of the interests or wishes of the UK.

"It will be able to offer full access to the World's fifth biggest market as part of any EU offer, without the need to balance this access by negotiating on key UK offensive interests."

He said that countries that negotiate new free trade agreements with the UK will have "automatic access to the UK market with the EU having no reciprocal access".
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buka001 said:
Both actually.

And the UK has control. It can expel anyone who fails to secure work in a specific timeline. The fact that they never bothered to implement it, is well their own problem and not the EU.
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Like I said disingenuous...

The people of the UK want 100% full control of the border, who enters and when. No and/ifs/buts
 
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