The Brexit Thread

[rietrot]

It’s easy to wave it away when you know little of the situation. But you’ll see.

I'm not waiving it away, anymore than I would wave away ISIS when taking about the Middle East.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Congress is currently split. Midterms and all.

He knows . He predicted Red October

 

[Spizz]

I'm not waiving it away, anymore than I would wave away ISIS when taking about the Middle East.

Oh ok. But you say “this again” as if it’s a minor inconvenience. I’m simply saying it’s not. It’s a major hurdle and one which has no obvious solution.

 

[Unhappy1]

Congress is held by which majority? Don't be naive Padawan . More libtard propaganda

Congress is consistent of the House of Representatives and the Senate.

House of Representatives is currently a Democratic majority.
The Senate has a Republican majority.

I think you are the naive one since your post seems to show you don't know the difference between what is termed as Congress and its constituent bodies.

If ever we needed a further example of Pitbulls ignorance on simple matters. Doesnt even know how the house and senate works.

 

[JayM]

If ever we needed a further example of Pitbulls ignorance on simple matters. Doesnt even know how the house and senate works.

Dunning-Kruger effect is strong with the Brexitards.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Lol. Obama didn’t have the IRA to deal with. If you think the trade deal is the issue with the backstop, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think the US cares about the IRA you are even more mistaken

the rest is the UK's problem, which is precisely the point of taking back control: solve it yourself and don't take orders from an un-elected bunch of cucks who don't even have a vested interest

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Congress voted on the subject 10 times in approval thereof.

Indeed, the beatings will continue until the morale improves ...

or in this case the voting will continue until they vote the 'correct' way

 

[ToxicBunny]

Oh ok. But you say “this again” as if it’s a minor inconvenience. I’m simply saying it’s not. It’s a major hurdle and one which has no obvious solution.

There is an obvious solution... Stop being retarded by trying to leave the EU...

I mean it's so simple that it can't be right can it?

 

[Spizz]

If you think the US cares about the IRA you are even more mistaken

the rest is the UK's problem, which is precisely the point of taking back control: solve it yourself and don't take orders from an un-elected bunch of cucks who don't even have a vested interest

Sorry. I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about a trade deal with Europe.

 

[Spizz]

There is an obvious solution... Stop being retarded by trying to leave the EU...

I mean it's so simple that it can't be right can it?

Something has to be done about the masses of unemployed Eastern European’s claiming benefits on arrival in the UK, but Brexit as a solution to immigration seems like chucking the baby out with the bath water.

Qualifying criteria could simply be toughened and a waiting time introduced of several months or longer, and the problem that I believe was the reason people voted for Brexit, would reduce drastically.

 

[Happy Poltergeist]

Johnson now talking about another 2 year delay with the UK staying in the CU

Boris Johnson has hinted that the UK could stay in a customs union with Europe for another two years.

Mr Johnson said: "Some of the (No Deal) changes that are going to be necessary in the run-up to October 31 will be crucial anyway if we are going to come out of the customs union and single market, as we must, in the course of the next couple of years."

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...first-visit-to-northern-ireland-a4201866.html

I think maybe the no deal hard Brexit zealots here are going to be disappointed on the first of November

 

[Gingerbeardman]

Something has to be done about the masses of unemployed Eastern European’s claiming benefits on arrival in the UK, but Brexit as a solution to immigration seems like chucking the baby out with the bath water.

Qualifying criteria could simply be toughened and a waiting time introduced of several months or longer, and the problem that I believe was the reason people voted for Brexit, would reduce drastically.

Wat?

I'm just going to sit here in a stunned silence for a moment and try to imagine a world where the UK could do this without necessarily having to go through Brexit...

 

[JayM]

Wat?

I'm just going to sit here in a stunned silence for a moment and try to imagine a world where the UK could do this without necessarily having to go through Brexit...

Other countries in the SM have been actively enforcing registration of immigrants and deporting them if they don't find work within 6 months. So at the very least they could do that.

On top of that, the abuse of welfare by EU immigrants is not that widespread, and EU immigrants pay far more in tax than is spent on them.

 

[Spizz]

Wat?

I'm just going to sit here in a stunned silence for a moment and try to imagine a world where the UK could do this without necessarily having to go through Brexit...

The bone of contention is people arriving in the UK and having access to unemployed benefits, housing subsidies and medical care all for free. This is sorely abused by people coming from places such as Poland and Romania which have not got a similar welfare state, and milking the freebies for all they are worth. With much of the benefits being sent home to family in theses Eastern European countries.

If a waiting period was introduced before access was given to these benefits, then the situation would level itself out as economic migrants would have no option but to find work rather than living on handouts.

 

[Gingerbeardman]

The bone of contention is people arriving in the UK and having access to unemployed benefits, housing subsidies and medical care all for free. This is sorely abused by people coming from places such as Poland and Romania which have not got a similar welfare state, and milking the freebies for all they are worth. With much of the benefits being sent home to family in theses Eastern European countries.

I don't dispute that at all, I'm keenly aware that this sort of abuse of the system is what drives a lot of the anti-immigrant sentiment. My point is that I think that the EU would start to cause all sorts of political nonsense for the UK if they tried to implement these reforms, and so it's unlikely that anyone in the UK would have the political will to follow through with the reforms.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I don't dispute that at all, I'm keenly aware that this sort of abuse of the system is what drives a lot of the anti-immigrant sentiment. My point is that I think that the EU would start to cause all sorts of political nonsense for the UK if they tried to implement these reforms, and so it's unlikely that anyone in the UK would have the political will to follow through with the reforms.

As far as I know the EU allows for those sorts of controls to be put in place for immigrants from EU countries....

 

[Whright]

 

[dw...]

The bone of contention is people arriving in the UK and having access to unemployed benefits, housing subsidies and medical care all for free. This is sorely abused by people coming from places such as Poland and Romania which have not got a similar welfare state, and milking the freebies for all they are worth. With much of the benefits being sent home to family in theses Eastern European countries.

If a waiting period was introduced before access was given to these benefits, then the situation would level itself out as economic migrants would have no option but to find work rather than living on handouts.

if that was true, you mean?

Eastern European migrants contribute significantly more to the UK economy than they take out in ”handouts”.

European immigrants who arrived in the UK since 2000 have contributed more than £20bn to UK public finances between 2001 and 2011. Moreover, they have endowed the country with productive human capital that would have cost the UK £6.8bn in spending on education.

Over the period from 2001 to 2011, European immigrants from the EU-15 countries contributed 64% more in taxes than they received in benefits. Immigrants from the Central and East European 'accession' countries (the 'A10') contributed 12% more than they received.

https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/nov...ct-uk-immigration-european-union-new-evidence

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/hrlc/documents/student-conference-2015/izabela-pompova-paper.pdf

 

[OrbitalDawn]

if that was true, you mean?

Eastern European migrants contribute significantly more to the UK economy than they take out in ”handouts”.



https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/nov...ct-uk-immigration-european-union-new-evidence

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/hrlc/documents/student-conference-2015/izabela-pompova-paper.pdf

Indeed. Usual nonsense narrative that bares no semblance to reality.

As with the US, it's quite instructive to see how the areas that are most ardently anti-immigrant are the places that have the fewest immigrants, and the places where they actually live are the most pro-immigrant.

 

[Spizz]

if that was true, you mean?

Eastern European migrants contribute significantly more to the UK economy than they take out in ”handouts”.



https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2014/nov...ct-uk-immigration-european-union-new-evidence

https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/hrlc/documents/student-conference-2015/izabela-pompova-paper.pdf

The point it that the system is easily abused and it is. And in my opinion and observations having just spent 18 months in an area in England that voted 'leave', it is the major contributing factor on why people voted to leave.

I feel like I have to add that I never voted, but if I did it would have been to remain. Although the reasons of those I know who voted to leave are rightly or wrongly, all down to unchecked immigration.