The Brexit Thread

[Pitbull]

I did. You went from claiming the UK were number 1, to changing it to top 3 and when shown that was also not accurate, they were nitpicking.

I corrected it way before his little charade in my response to Toxic. But turns out they are #2 Nett contributor.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Like I said... NETT contributor. Strange how you guys try and spin figures to fit your narrative.

I'm not spinning fsckall...

They are the 4th largest contributor to the EU based purely on the volume of contributions (aka Gross), countries contributing to the EU don't have a NETT figure...

Ahhhh ok, I see they are number 2 in terms of the amount the give to the EU after taking into account the amount they get back..

Still not the biggest, but hey....

They are number 4 on a per capita basis, and number 4 on a % GDP basis.

 

[Pitbull]

I'm not spinning fsckall...

They are the 4th largest contributor to the EU based purely on the volume of contributions (aka Gross), countries contributing to the EU don't have a NETT figure...

Ahhhh ok, I see they are number 2 in terms of the amount the give to the EU after taking into account the amount they get back..

Still not the biggest, but hey....

They are number 4 on a per capita basis, and number 4 on a % GDP basis.

I already said as much even before seeing they are second. Still 'n pretty big chunk they are losing. Or you want to dispute that too?

 

[ToxicBunny]

I don't dispute that the amount they put in is more than they get out.....

Never have, and never will.

But I'm not the one who stated they were the biggest contributor to the EU...

 

[noxibox]

That was aimed at leaving in such a way that it gave business and finance enough time to formally transition in a ordered way. It would have been of benefit to both the UK and the EU to do so, so I don't see that as being heavily in favour of the EU.

That is basically what it was about and the UK was not locked into it for that period either. The UK side was told early on that they could remain in the common market, but then must accept free movement, and that if they were not going to remain then new trade deals could only be negotiated once they were out. There was a huge fuss about the deal from leave supporters when the details were published. After reading those details it was hard to fathom what they were making a fuss about.

They oddly enough aren't actually, they seem to be number 4 on average. So they are not the biggest contributor, even by your "top 3" metric.

They were 3rd on nett contributions. However when people talk about these contributions they're usually trying to imply that the UK contributes a huge chunk of the EU's funds. They don't. It's significant, but not the death blow it is made out to be. The EU will have a bit less money. Potentially. But then businesses are also moving their headquarters to the continent or splitting what was based in the UK into two halves which means potentially more money in the EU.

 

[rietrot]

I already said as much even before seeing they are second. Still 'n pretty big chunk they are losing. Or you want to dispute that too?

Lol. Obviously if they aren't number one the EU won't lose anything. Only number one counts.

 

[ToxicBunny]

That is basically what it was about and the UK was not locked into it for that period either. The UK side was told early on that they could remain in the common market, but then must accept free movement, and that if they were not going to remain then new trade deals could only be negotiated once they were out. There was a huge fuss about the deal from leave supporters when the details were published. After reading those details it was hard to fathom what they were making a fuss about.


They were 3rd on nett contributions. However when people talk about these contributions they're usually trying to imply that the UK contributes a huge chunk of the EU's funds. They don't. It's significant, but not the death blow it is made out to be. The EU will have a bit less money. Potentially. But then businesses are also moving their headquarters to the continent or splitting what was based in the UK into two halves which means potentially more money in the EU.

100%. As usual the devil is always in the details with these things...

 

[Pitbull]

Lol. Obviously if they aren't number one the EU won't lose anything. Only number one counts.

UK has a NETT contribution of 8 Billion EUROS.

The EU is most definitely going to feel it. That alone is the Nett gain for Poland alone

 

[rietrot]

100%. As usual the devil is always in the details with these things...

Nobody is pretending it will be a death blow to the EU. It is still a loss. The EU will probably die its own death, later on from completely unrelated issues.

Or Brexit might be a death blow if it's successful and open the floodgates for others to leave, but not money wise.

 

[JayM]

UK has a NETT contribution of 8 Billion EUROS.

The EU is most definitely going to feel it. That alone is the Nett gain for Poland alone

8 billion in a 15 trillion economy is peanuts though. It amounts to a cup of coffee on someone's 60K/m salary.

 

[Pitbull]

Nobody is pretending it will be a death blow to the EU. It is still a loss. The EU will probably die its own death, later on from completely unrelated issues.

Or Brexit might be a death blow if it's successful and open the floodgates for others to leave, but not money wise.

Italy and I'm sure Germany are looking at Brexit very closely. It's only a matter of time.

 

[JayM]

Nobody is pretending it will be a death blow to the EU. It is still a loss. The EU will probably die its own death, later on from completely unrelated issues.

Or Brexit might be a death blow if it's successful and open the floodgates for others to leave, but not money wise.

The UK will break apart long before the EU does. Even Le Pen and other "anti-EU" parties are now pro-remain. Why is that?

 

[Pitbull]

8 billion in a 15 trillion economy is peanuts though. It amounts to a cup of coffee on someone's 60K/m salary.

Not really if that aline covers the nett gain of the worse contributing country - Poland. It's got a very big chunk of the contribution if you look at it in context.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

8 billion in a 15 trillion economy is peanuts though. It amounts to a cup of coffee on someone's 60K/m salary.

Apples and oranges comparison.

The 15 trillion economy is what is produced and traded, the EU region benefits from that, but the EU political body isn't the recipient of even a fraction of that.

The 8 billion comes directly off the bit that the EU political body receives, and they will feel it.

 

[JayM]

Not really if that aline covers the nett gain of the worse contributing country - Poland. It's got a very big chunk of the contribution if you look at it in context.

That seems rather arbitrary, since the amount will be split across all the remaining members of the EU. Germany alone could get the amount from petty cash and not notice.

 

[JayM]

Apples and oranges comparison.

The 15 trillion economy is what is produced and traded, the EU region benefits from that, but the EU political body isn't the recipient of even a fraction of that.

The 8 billion comes directly off the bit that the EU political body receives, and they will feel it.

They'll hardly notice it. It's insignificant. The UK will feel it 10x worse, and for much longer.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

The UK will break apart long before the EU does

sure, the one was founded in 1922 and shows no signs whatsoever of breaking up
the other was only founded in 1993 and has mass riots against the political class in multiple countries

pretty clear which is on shakier grounds

 

[JayM]

sure, the one was founded in 1922 and shows no signs whatsoever of breaking up
the other was only founded in 1993 and has mass riots against the political class in multiple countries

pretty clear which is on shakier grounds

Recent polls show majority support for Scottish independence whereas across the EU, there is 75%+ support for the union.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

They'll hardly notice it. It's insignificant. The UK will feel it 10x worse, and for much longer.

again comparing apples and oranges

when we talk of direct contribution to the EU political body you can't conflate it with the performance of either economy, the UK will feel it when they stop paying those stupid fees, as a nett positive to the EU political body's nett negative

I'm sure they won't complain about not wasting 8 billion anymore

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Recent polls show majority support for Scottish independence whereas across the EU, there is 75%+ support for the union.

Except polls mean f-all as Trump and Brexit showed us.

and more importantly, any EU member can trigger article 50 at will, Scotland cannot gain independence without the UK's permission

spot the difference?