The Brexit Thread

[BBSA]

You seem to be under the impression this is a UK vs EU situation. The UK is just the first domino to fall, mark my words.

and as the saying goes, if you are going to panic, panic first

Agree, an economic block with mostly negative interest rates are not sustainable. Let's see what happens in the next financial crisis.

 

[Pitbull]

The brexiteers here make out that being part of the EU was the most terrible thing ever, like being enslaved and oppressed and the sooner it ends the better, as it will stop the suffering the poor brits have had to endure at the hands of the oppresive EU. Such utter BS. A negotiated exit that takes 2 years, or 10 years to complete would not be the tragedy they are trying to make out it would be. A proper transition period where business, finance and border related issues can be worked out, in good faith, would have been positive for everyone, but especially for the UK. It could have been all done with a recognition of a close relationship being maintained, a brexit done while maintaining friendship and support over a period of time. Instead it's become a UK full of bravado and arrogance, doing their best to insult and make an enemy of their neighbours. Suddenly the EU is the enemy who must be defeated. This will definitely turn out well for everyone

On the contrary...

We're backing what the people of the UK have decided to do. And it being done according to their wishes. They voted according to what they experience, good and bad within the EU.

If anything, blame global terrorism which has lead to the Brits wanting full control of their borders

 

[Pitbull]

@JayM

I farking love how people cry about Brexit and what it will do to the pound and what not. Yet still leaves their money in that currency. Please explain that logic to me. If you foresee such a dire situation for the UK, why not move your money?

 

[JayM]

@JayM

I farking love how people cry about Brexit and what it will do to the pound and what not. Yet still leaves their money in that currency. Please explain that logic to me. If you foresee such a dire situation for the UK, why not move your money?

Already moved most of it to USD and EUR, but left a small amount in GBP as the UK is my only escape-from-SA option.

 

[Pitbull]

You seem to be under the impression this is a UK vs EU situation. The UK is just the first domino to fall, mark my words.

and as the saying goes, if you are going to panic, panic first

Italy already looking at leaving, Germany will also leave within the next 10 years of that I'm certain. Like you said, the UK seems to be the one they are all watching. If the UK can make this work, it's going to destroy the EU

 

[Pitbull]

Already moved most of it to USD and EUR, but left a small amount in GBP as the UK is my only escape-from-SA option.

Ok then...

 

[JayM]

Italy already looking at leaving, Germany will also leave within the next 10 years of that I'm certain. Like you said, the UK seems to be the one they are all watching. If the UK can make this work, it's going to destroy the EU

Support across the EU is at an all time high.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-yo...lemeter-2019/report/en-eurobarometer-2019.pdf

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Support across the EU is at an all time high.

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-yo...lemeter-2019/report/en-eurobarometer-2019.pdf

you're using stats from the EU parliament to make the point about how happy people are with the EU political union?

what's next? Zuma's testimony of his innocence should be accepted as evidence?

 

[JayM]

you're using stats from the EU parliament to make the point about how happy people are with the EU political union?

what's next? Zuma's testimony of his innocence should be accepted as evidence?

Show me the polls that counter these ones. Their polling methodology and sampling is fine.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

So not in our lifetimes eh?

In our lifetime if a couple of events happen in our lifetime.

1: hard brexit followed by reasonable success by the brits
2: another top 5 EU economy exiting
3: populist anti-eu leaders winning elections across the EU

I can't put a timeline on that, nobody can, what I can say is the EU will disintegrate if all of that happens.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Show me the polls that counter these ones. Their polling methodology and sampling is fine.

Polls are entirely without merit, regardless of who conducts them.

They are downright laughable when conducted by the subject of the poll.

 

[JayM]

Polls are entirely without merit, regardless of who conducts them.

They are downright laughable when conducted by the subject of the poll.

Nonsense. Large sample political polling is almost always within a few percentage points of the actual results.

 

[Pitbull]

In our lifetime if a couple of events happen in our lifetime.

1: hard brexit followed by reasonable success by the brits
2: another top 5 EU economy exiting
3: populist anti-eu leaders winning elections across the EU

I can't put a timeline on that, nobody can, what I can say is the EU will disintegrate if all of that happens.

The shift to the right/Conservative is already happening in Europe. I'm sure another 1 or two terror attacks on European soil should seal the deal.

 

[JayM]

The shift to the right/Conservative is already happening in Europe. I'm sure another 1 or two terror attacks on European soil should seal the deal.

The problem is, even the right (excl UK) are pro-remain now.

 

[AlmightyBender]

No one is denying the people of the UK will feel it and feel it for sure. We've already covered that.

Do you have any appreciation for what your statement means in practicality?

It means businesses going under, people losing their homes, runs on banks and grocery stores, brain drain as professionals leave, huge social resentment and division in the country. True that most might recover in time but many will not.

Hope that price is worth your feeling of satisfaction at all of this.

 

[Pitbull]

The problem is, even the right (excl UK) are pro-remain now.

Don't blame them after the May fark-up...

Problem is, the votes are in.

 

[Pitbull]

Do you have any appreciation for what your statement means in practicality?

It means businesses going under, people losing their homes, runs on banks and grocery stores, brain drain as professionals leave, huge social resentment and division in the country. True that most might recover in time but many will not.

Hope that price is worth your feeling of satisfaction at all of this.

It's like saying, don't join the Allied forces... there will be casualties ... sometimes one has to rip the bandage off. As things are going now it will eventually lead to worse. Get out now and build up again.

 

[Cray]

It's like saying, don't join the Allied forces... there will be casualties ... sometimes one has to rip the bandage off. As things are going now it will eventually lead to worse. Get out now and build up again.

Spoken like someone who is in no position to actually feel any of the pain of that "ripping off".

 

[C4Cat]

You seem to be under the impression this is a UK vs EU situation. The UK is just the first domino to fall, mark my words.

and as the saying goes, if you are going to panic, panic first

If so then it's the UK to blame for setting the dominos falling. When Europe is at war again we'll remember who to thank

 

[C4Cat]

On the contrary...

We're backing what the people of the UK have decided to do. And it being done according to their wishes. They voted according to what they experience, good and bad within the EU.

If anything, blame global terrorism which has lead to the Brits wanting full control of their borders

Don't talk rubbish. The people of the UK were never asked how long the transition should take or what deals should be made. The Leave camp made specific promises which were lies and go against everything happening now, so no, this is not what was wished for. Only in your imagination.