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C4Cat said:
Don't talk rubbish. The people of the UK were never asked how long the transition should take or what deals should be made. The Leave camp made specific promises which were lies and go against everything happening now, so no, this is not what was wished for. Only in your imagination.
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Shame, another remoaner not happy with the outcome of the vote...

/Pass
 
Cray said:
Spoken like someone who is in no position to actually feel any of the pain of that "ripping off".
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This process has been ongoing for how many years? I feel zero sympathy for people who clinged to the hope that the vote will be over turned and didn't prepare. They only have themselves and the remoaners to blame for believing that there was hope of stoping Brexit.
 
C4Cat said:
A negotiated exit that takes 2 years, or 10 years to complete would not be the tragedy they are trying to make out it would be. A proper transition period where business, finance and border related issues can be worked out, in good faith, would have been positive for everyone, but especially for the UK.
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A decade of squabbles, disagreements and impasses. Any good lawyer will tell you that you cannot agree to agree - you cannot agree today that you will come to an agreement in future. 'Coz you probably won't. So the 'transition' would be a stuffup. Maybe best to have a clean break if you are going to exit - then parties will be properly motivated to haggle future deals.
 
No-one really knew what to prepare for. The leave side was originally largely opposed to leaving without a deal, so the expectation was that it wouldn't happen. Even with the knowledge that the country will leave without a deal it is hard for small businesses to prepare. It is hard for the ordinary person to prepare. Even the government is not fully prepared.

If those small businesses were in South Africa the same people would be attacking the government for making things difficult.

The big companies have contingency plans in place to move some of their operations out of the UK, if they haven't already done so.

rwenzori said:
A decade of squabbles, disagreements and impasses.
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That's exactly what trade deal negotiations are though. I'm not sure exiting without a deal is going to make them happen any faster.

C4Cat said:
Don't talk rubbish. The people of the UK were never asked how long the transition should take or what deals should be made. The Leave camp made specific promises which were lies and go against everything happening now, so no, this is not what was wished for. Only in your imagination.
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Which is probably why polls showed that some of those people would vote differently today. And also why the leave side are dead set against having another vote.
 
Pitbull said:
Shame, another remoaner not happy with the outcome of the vote...

/Pass
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I'm not unhappy with the outcome of the vote, I'm unhappy that you (and others) pretend the vote was for something other than what it was. Simple. You may as well say the UK voted to go to war with the EU as that would be as accurate as what you are claiming (i.e. no truth to it whatsoever) - and if anyone points out that the UK did not in fact vote to go to war you'll just respond with your old get out of jail card - Shame, another remoaner not happy with the outcome of the vote... :rolleyes:
 
C4Cat said:
I'm not unhappy with the outcome of the vote, I'm unhappy that you (and others) pretend the vote was for something other than what it was. Simple. You may as well say the UK voted to go to war with the EU as that would be as accurate as what you are claiming (i.e. no truth to it whatsoever) - and if anyone points out that the UK did not in fact vote to go to war you'll just respond with your old get out of jail card - Shame, another remoaner not happy with the outcome of the vote... :rolleyes:
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What was the vote? To leave or remain right?

I thought that's all it was...
 
rwenzori said:
A decade of squabbles, disagreements and impasses. Any good lawyer will tell you that you cannot agree to agree - you cannot agree today that you will come to an agreement in future. 'Coz you probably won't. So the 'transition' would be a stuffup. Maybe best to have a clean break if you are going to exit - then parties will be properly motivated to haggle future deals.
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The very first thing they are going to have to do is start making deals, except now there is no transition period at all.

A negotiated brexit was on the table. It's not about coming to an agreement - which has to happen irrespective. It's about giving business, etc a chance to make arrangements for untangling themselves while keeping their business activities going.
 
Pitbull said:
What was the vote? To leave or remain right?

I thought that's all it was...
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So where do you come up with claim that they voted to exit the single market, voted for no deal, etc? You only have to browse this thread to see links to all the Leave campaigners saying the UK would stay in the single market.
The deal May offered would still have been Brexit and would still have delivered on the mandate to leave.
 
C4Cat said:
So where do you come up with claim that they voted to exit the single market, voted for no deal, etc? You only have to browse this thread to see links to all the Leave campaigners saying the UK would stay in the single market.
The deal May offered would still have been Brexit and would still have delivered on the mandate to leave.
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Check the 2017 Conservative manifesto. You can't say there was no expectation of no deal - that would mean you'd have to accept any junk/bollocks thrown at the UK by the EU. TMay's WA has been rejected thrice, since the EU have said that is the only deal on the table and it's been rejected by the UK parliament, the only option left is to exit without a deal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-39960311

  • Exit the European single market and customs union but seek a "deep and special partnership" including comprehensive free trade and customs agreement
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C4Cat said:
So where do you come up with claim that they voted to exit the single market, voted for no deal, etc? You only have to browse this thread to see links to all the Leave campaigners saying the UK would stay in the single market.
The deal May offered would still have been Brexit and would still have delivered on the mandate to leave.
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Just remind me again, I think LEAVE won right?

We never believe politicians, we vote along moral values. Are you telling me you voted for X in the last election because they told you X,Y and Z? That is what I find so funny about the remoaners. Claiming not but people didn't vote for A, B and C. When all the vote asked for was vote X or Y.

The votes have been in and tallied. UK is leaving the EU 31/10/2019.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Check the 2017 Conservative manifesto. You can't say there was no expectation of no deal - that would mean you'd have to accept any junk/bollocks thrown at the UK by the EU. TMay's WA has been rejected thrice, since the EU have said that is the only deal on the table and it's been rejected by the UK parliament, the only option left is to exit without a deal.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-39960311
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He's one of those people who say he will vote for the ANC if they promise him a TV and free electricity. It's starting to make sense now :D
 
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