The Brexit Thread

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ToxicBunny said:
Do you know the details of Boris's amazing "better" deal? Thats all I am looking for...
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There is no "better deal" at the moment, it's well reported as you and others have mentioned.

But this is the amazing better Bojo deal, detailed below :

"No deal Brexit"

There you have it.
 
Pitbull said:
I never claimed he had an amazing deal? No one has. We all, including you, knows that he tried to negotiate with the EU. Who seems to have shut him down. So tough cookie.
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Ok, the word amazing was over the top, but you claimed he has tried a better deal... what are the terms of that better deal if you please?

Pitbull said:
It's pretty obvious no deal will be reached given the history of this issue now. Boris has tried a better deal, it's not going to happen. So cut off the EU leech 31/10/2019 and start working on making the UK a functioning country post EU. All this crying and bickering is just delaying the inevitable. Get it done so people can start coming to terms with the separation and fix the issues that might arise.
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C4Cat said:
He was just asking what arrangements Boris was after. Nobody seems to know, including the EU.

Honestly, I'm almost at the point of hoping for a no deal Brexit, the UK government is absolutely pathetic and I think perhaps the UK should just get what they want and what they deserve after all.
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I hate to say this, but in some sense I agree - as a staunch remainer myself.

The problem is that the UK is now stuck in political limbo. Nobody can seem to agree on the way forward. On the one hand, BoJo is pushing for no deal pretty transparently, and on the other, the Lib Dems want to revoke Article 50.

There is no path forward that is going to make everyone happy. I almost think we need to crash out of the EU so that people can see just how damaging it is. All of these Leave voters will then finally realise they have been lied to by powerful people. We'll enter a recession while we try to renegotiate deals, and perhaps the fallout will be so bad that people will want to rejoin. I don't know.

The fallout from no deal would probably also claim what is left of BoJo's career, and the Tory party. If no deal results in what the predictions say - food and medicine shortages and a general recession - then the Tories are finished.

Then, we enter the next phase of negotiations, which could include the option to get a Norway style deal, or a single market type thing. Which would get us back in the EU in most of the ways that matter, to the disgust of leavers. Although, by then, if things go as badly as claimed then there should be few die hard leavers left.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Ok, the word amazing was over the top, but you claimed he has tried a better deal... what are the terms of that better deal if you please?
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No idea what it is/was. EU shut it down before it could even happen. So that makes my statement wrong? Like I said, you know the details around this full well, which makes your line of questioning pretty stupid. No idea what your end-game is.
 
Pitbull said:
No idea what it is/was. EU shut it down before it could even happen. So that makes my statement wrong? Like I said, you know the details around this full well, which makes your line of questioning pretty stupid. No idea what your end-game is.
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So you KNOW it was better, but you have zero idea what the contents of the deal actually were? Right, gotcha.
 
konfab said:
Leaving means you actually leave. It doesn't mean delay the process for as long as possible because it might upset the holiday plans of rich bankers.
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The process was delayed in part because of brexiteers.

Pitbull said:
Leaving without one too?

Want to do this all day?
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Yeah absolutely but thats the point you seem to be missing. If politicians who vote against a no deal exit are going against the will of the people then so are those who voted against leaving with a deal.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Leaving the EU is leaving the EU, Mays deal would mean they left the EU. You're just applying your own personal preferences to the whole of the UK on what leaves means.
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Does any definition of "leave" include delaying the process for as long as possible?
 
konfab said:
Does any definition of "leave" include delaying the process for as long as possible?
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Im struggling to remember the timeline on the referendum, oh the joys of vague referendum questions.

Personally im in agreement with others though, i hope the UK crashes out of the EU on October the 31st. There will be a world of hurt which might klap some sense into brexiteers.
 
Gingerbeardman said:
No deal Brexit.
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He knows that, like I said...
Unhappy438 said:
Leaving the EU is leaving the EU, Mays deal would mean they left the EU. You're just applying your own personal preferences to the whole of the UK on what leave means.
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Not apply my preference. That is the reason it was voted down twice. It wasn't a leave deal, it was an opt-out trying to please remainers and leavers. UK would not have "left" the EU under that deal.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Im struggling to remember the timeline on the referendum, oh the joys of vague referendum questions.

Personally im in agreement with others though, i hope the UK crashes out of the EU on October the 31st. There will be a world of hurt which might klap some sense into brexiteers.
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Then let the UK crash out and let no-deal happen. No reason for further discussing the issue then. That's what the UK voters wanted, so let it be. Good or bad
 
Pitbull said:
Not apply my preference. That is the reason it was voted down twice. It wasn't a leave deal, it was an opt-out trying to please remainers and leavers. UK would not have "left" the EU under that deal.
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It being voted down says nothing about the will of the people or if they would have left or not, Boris' stuff has been voted down too.

PS - Which part isnt leaving? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brexit_withdrawal_agreement

Pitbull said:
Then let the UK crash out and let no-deal happen. No reason for further discussing the issue then. That's what the UK voters wanted, so let it be. Good or bad
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Our discussion about it effects that to the grand sum of zero.
 
Unhappy438 said:
Personally im in agreement with others though, i hope the UK crashes out of the EU on October the 31st. There will be a world of hurt which might klap some sense into brexiteers.
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You can't really go wrong with free trade rules like the WTO, and given that Germany's auto industry is on life support right now, I bet you will see some free trade deals.
 
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