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Dave said:
The first line of the Treaty of Rome 1957 that set up the EEC.
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if you seriously want to propose that "ever closer union" was interpreted as, and words meant to convey, a united states ruled by a single law there's nothing left to say aside from:

... good luck with your brain tumor
 
Hmmm...always worth listening to Nigel. He thinks a new deal, which isn't really a new deal, is about to be agreed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1174242148310556673

Combined this Spectator piece (https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/...-of-the-bunch-is-caroline-lucas-the-green-mp/)

If a deal can be reached, I think it will pass in parliament. There are two reasons for this. If the DUP can accept whatever alternative to the backstop is proposed, then that would give the plan a fair wind. It is hard for an MP to declare that they are objecting to something on Unionist grounds if the DUP are prepared to accept it. All but a handful of Tory Brexiteers would vote for a deal that the DUP could accept; even one of those who sounds most dogmatic in public admits in private that he would fold in behind Johnson in these circumstances.

Another reason to think that a deal would pass if one could be reached is, as I write in tomorrow’s magazine, that No. 10 and Brussels are discussing saying that a condition of any agreement is that no further extension will be offered. In other words, if MPs won’t take the deal, it will be no deal. MPs couldn’t use the Benn Act to try to delay Brexit in these circumstances, as no extension would have been offered. Indeed, the only option left for the Stop Brexit crowd would be to attempt to revoke Article 50.
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This is a dangerous move by Boris IMO. Brexit Party in the 15-20% range is a real threat to a Tory majority government.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
if you seriously want to propose that "ever closer union" was interpreted as, and words meant to convey, a united states ruled by a single law there's nothing left to say aside from:

... good luck with your brain tumor
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You're so busy thinking up “witty” put downs you probably didn’t bother to read the link.

Article 3 of the 1957 Treaty.
Article 3

For the purposes set out in Article 2, the activities of the Community shall include, as provided in this Treaty and in accordance with the timetable set out therein:

(a) the elimination, as between Member States, of customs duties and quantitative restrictions on the import and export of goods, and of all other measures having equivalent effect;

(b) a common commercial policy;

(c) an internal market characterized by the abolition, as between Member States, of obstacles to the free movement of goods, persons, services and capital;

(d) measures concerning the entry and movement of persons in the internal market as provided for in Article 100c;

(e) a common policy in the sphere of agriculture and fisheries;

(f) a common policy in the sphere of transport;

(g) a system ensuring that competition in the internal market is not distorted;

(h) the approximation of the laws of Member States to the extent required for the functioning of the common market;

(i) a policy in the social sphere comprising a European Social Fund;

(j) the strengthening of economic and social cohesion;

(k) a policy in the sphere of the environment;

(l) the strengthening of the competitiveness of Community industry;

(m) the promotion of research and technological development;

(n) encouragement for the establishment and development of trans-European networks;

(o) a contribution to the attainment of a high level of health protection;

(p) a contribution to education and training of quality and to the flowering of the cultures of the Member States;

(q) a policy in the sphere of development cooperation;

(r) the association of the overseas countries and territories in order to increase trade and promote jointly economic and social development;

(s) a contribution to the strengthening of consumer protection;

(t) measures in the spheres of energy, civil protection and tourism.
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@BBSA


Care to go tell these guys just to "get over it", so the whole situation at the Irish Border can be solved with that simple phrase?
 
Where’s @Chris_the_Brit?

I found a Brexit article that is actually relevant to him.

Australia to begin trade talks with UK 'as soon as possible'

Australia is set to begin trade talks with the UK “as soon as possible” after Brexit, the government has said.

The Department for International Trade confirmed that the UK and Australia will agree to begin talks when the UK leaves the EU, currently scheduled for October 31.

Australian prime minister Scott Morrison had already signalled his willingness to proceed with talks quickly, saying he believed a deal could be done within a year.
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www.standard.co.uk

Australia-UK trade talks to begin 'as soon as possible' after Brexit

Australia is set to begin trade talks with the UK “as soon as possible” after Brexit, the government has said.
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
 
Dave said:
You're so busy thinking up “witty” put downs you probably didn’t bother to read the link.

Article 3 of the 1957 Treaty.
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Would help if you read it yourself:
"the approximation of the laws of Member States to the extent required for the functioning of the common market;"

approximation
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/əˌprɒksɪˈmeɪʃn/
noun
a value or quantity that is nearly but not exactly correct. "these figures are only approximations" synonyms: estimate, estimation, guess, conjecture, rough calculation, rough idea, surmise; More a thing that is similar to something else, but is not exactly the same.
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Now I could dig the article of EU legislation up again, but that would be wasted effort on yet another blinkered bremoaner. Suffice to say specific legislation that outright dictates a member must enact certain EU laws in its own parliament is sure as shyte not an approximation.

Nor is something like say ... forced inclusion of quotas of illegal migrants required for the functioning of the common market by any stretch of the imagination. Vast difference between those lofty EEC words and the EUSSR reality of today.
 
Only about 40 days left and the Brexit thread seems to have fallen down 5 pages... Who would have thunk... obviously not such a big issue as the left tried to make it out to be :D
 
Pitbull said:
Only about 40 days left and the Brexit thread seems to have fallen down 5 pages... Who would have thunk... obviously not such a big issue as the left tried to make it out to be :D
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Lol probably one of the most ignorant posts of your life.

Meanwhile in the UK it is on the news on a near hourly basis, features in newspapers on a daily basis, the highways have big boards telling truck drivers that paperwork will change for travel to the EU on 1 November, Home Office officials are visiting our workplace and giving talks to EU nationals on how to apply for pre-settled and settled status.

And today the Supreme Court will rule on the suspension of Parliament.

Sure not such a big issue as the "left" thought it was, because a South African tech forum did not feature this debate on its first page.
 
buka001 said:
Lol probably one of the most ignorant posts of your life.

Meanwhile in the UK it is on the news on a near hourly basis, features in newspapers on a daily basis, the highways have big boards telling truck drivers that paperwork will change for travel to the EU on 1 November, Home Office officials are visiting our workplace and giving talks to EU nationals on how to apply for pre-settled and settled status.

And today the Supreme Court will rule on the suspension of Parliament.

Sure not such a big issue as the "left" thought it was, because a South African tech forum did not feature this debate on its first page.
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Well it is very obvious to me that the judges will rule the suspension of parliament as illegal given the UK law profession's well known views on Brexit as outlined here:

www.telegraph.co.uk

The ultimate judge of Boris Johnson must be the court of public opinion

I met Clare at a Telegraph event and liked her immediately.
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I met Clare at a Telegraph event and liked her immediately. She introduced herself as a solicitor who had voted Leave and was married to a judge. “Not many like me in my circle,” she laughed.

Clare said she had kept quiet at many dinners where the judges present had expressed contempt for Brexit and for the “morons” who voted for it. It’s fair to say their Honours were aggrieved by the referendum result. “You see, they’ve always got what they wanted, their whole lives,” Clare explained, “and suddenly they didn’t get what they wanted.” She calls them The Three Quads.

“They all went to public school. That’s Quad Number 1. Then they went to Oxbridge. Quad 2. Finally, the Inns of Court. Quad 3. Many of them have never lived in the real world at all.”
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Can we really expect impartial rulings?!
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Well it is very obvious to me that the judges will rule the suspension of parliament as illegal given the UK law profession's well known views on Brexit as outlined here:

www.telegraph.co.uk

The ultimate judge of Boris Johnson must be the court of public opinion

I met Clare at a Telegraph event and liked her immediately.
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk



Can we really expect impartial rulings?!
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The Telegraph? Can we really expect impartial analysis?
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