The Brexit Thread

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Chris_the_Brit said:
Well it is very obvious to me that the judges will rule the suspension of parliament as illegal given the UK law profession's well known views on Brexit as outlined here:

www.telegraph.co.uk

The ultimate judge of Boris Johnson must be the court of public opinion

I met Clare at a Telegraph event and liked her immediately.
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Can we really expect impartial rulings?!
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Ah, that marvellously impartial and unbiased Allison Pearson...

Brussels attacks: Allison Pearson accused of 'shamelessly' using attack to make political point about Brexit

A Telegraph columnist has been accused of using the deadly explosions in Brussels to “shamelessly” push a political point about Brexit, after claiming the city is the “jihadist capital of Europe”.

At least 20 people were killed and dozens injured in two blasts in the departure hall at Brussels Airport and one at a metro station in the Belgian capital, with each blast thought to be suicide attacks.

Allison Pearson, an author and former columnist for The Daily Mail, responded to news of the blasts with a tweet questioning arguments that Britain was safer staying in Europe ahead of the in-out referendum.
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https://twitter.com/x/status/712200611400454145

www.independent.co.uk

Telegraph columnist accused of 'shamelessly' using Brussels attacks to make Brexit argument

Columnist writes: 'Brussels, de facto capital of the EU, is also the jihadist capital of Europe'
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Chris_the_Brit said:
Umm...there is a mechanism to get rid of Johnson if the opposition parties so wish.
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There's a mechanism to sort out this Brexit confusion, too - another referendum. Something you should feel confident about if you really think the "people's will" is so obvious and clear.

But then you think that's anathema, while having constant elections is fine and dandy.

Spizz said:
Wait, last week it would get thrown out because it was only the Scottish judges were biased. Now it’s the entire judiciary of the UK you are calling corrupt? Do you actually understand the implications of what you are saying?

And you have a cheek to call yourself British? It’s clear your loyalty is actually to a political party regardless of what the law says.

As I said before, you are comparable to an ANC lackey who shut up and looked the other way as Zuma screwed the country over. Absolutely spineless.
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Thing is, though - it's not even loyalty to a party. It's loyalty to a zealous cult sub-section of a party. He's more than happy to throw life-long, loyal Tories to the wolves if they don't fall in line.
 
Spizz said:
Scotland has its own money, education system, laws and even the Queen had to be crowned in Edinburgh for her to be the legal monarch?
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all of which means f-all when Scotland does not have any legal means to unilaterally withdraw from the UK

without that they are over the barrel and have no sovereignty, period
 
Spizz said:
Wow. This is perhaps the most ignorant and clueless understanding of the Union I’ve read for while.

Are you aware for example, that Scotland has its own money, education system, laws and even the Queen had to be crowned in Edinburgh for her to be the legal monarch?

It’s a political union, and the fact that more Scots recently voted to stay part of it says more about what’s actually going on in the country than you thinking they are bending over and taking it rough shod.
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Scotland has its own money, does it? Care to elaborate?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
all of which means f-all when Scotland does not have any legal means to unilaterally withdraw from the UK

without that they are over the barrel and have no sovereignty, period
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The exact same situation as England. But for some reason, according to you, Scotland are strapped over an English barrel?

As I said, 4 countries in a legal union of equal partnership. No one bends to the other despite misconceptions that England are the big brother. As recently highlighters and proved by the court case against Brexit being raised in a Scottish court and taken under appeal by a UK court.
 
Spizz said:
Yeah, fair enough, that’s clumsy. How about Scottish banks currently issue their own money that is tied to pound sterling?
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Yeah, but that's exactly the issue, for Scotland to go her own way she'd have to get her own currency. Maybe the union is a marriage of equals on paper, but it doesn't work that way in practice.
 
Dave said:
Ah, that marvellously impartial and unbiased Allison Pearson...



https://twitter.com/x/status/712200611400454145

www.independent.co.uk

Telegraph columnist accused of 'shamelessly' using Brussels attacks to make Brexit argument

Columnist writes: 'Brussels, de facto capital of the EU, is also the jihadist capital of Europe'
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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She was bang on the money about the ruling wasn't she though? It was all very easy to predict: law is a well-known profession that many of the elite are attracted and almost of the elite voted to Remain. Added to that is the UK Supreme Court was set up by your hero, Tony "war criminal" Blair, who obviously stuffed the court with his lackeys and given Blair's ultra Remainer proclivities, it's not hard to see the judges probably shared them as well.
 
Gingerbeardman said:
Yeah, but that's exactly the issue, for Scotland to go her own way she'd have to get her own currency. Maybe the union is a marriage of equals on paper, but it doesn't work that way in practice.
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It does at the moment, but I take your point. An independent Scotland would need to have a separate currency or it would be at the mercy of the pound and the decisions made about it by rUK.
 
Spizz said:
Yeah, fair enough, that’s clumsy. How about Scottish banks currently issue their own money that is tied to pound sterling?
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I came back from a trip to Edinburgh and had some Scottish pound notes. I had a terse 2 minute discussion with a Off Licence shop keeper regarding my alleged counterfeit currency.
 
buka001 said:
I came back from a trip to Edinburgh and had some Scottish pound notes. I had a terse 2 minute discussion with a Off Licence shop keeper regarding my alleged counterfeit currency.
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School boy error. Always ditch your Scottish notes before heading down south.

Although to be fair, Scottish folks generally look for and enjoy the argument when they get refused by a checkout girl in the Kings Cross Tesco Metro :p
 
buka001 said:
I came back from a trip to Edinburgh and had some Scottish pound notes. I had a terse 2 minute discussion with a Off Licence shop keeper regarding my alleged counterfeit currency.
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LOL - remember people telling me to be sure to spend all my Scottish currency before going back to London as some shop keepers might no accept it...
 
Spizz said:
The exact same situation as England. But for some reason, according to you, Scotland are strapped over an English barrel?
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When Scotland wanted a referendum on leaving the UK they had to get permission from the English.
When England wanted a referendum on leaving the EU they didn't need permission from the Scots.

If you believe that's the exact same situation you are simply wrong.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
When Scotland wanted a referendum on leaving the UK they had to get permission from the English.
When England wanted a referendum on leaving the EU they didn't need permission from the Scots.

If you believe that's the exact same situation you are simply wrong.
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WTF? I don't even know how to answer this. I'm not sure if you are being funny or just completely and utterly misinformed about what the UK actually is.

England is one of 4 countries who make up the UK. It is in fact the only one that doesn't have it's own parliament, so how on earth would they need to give permission to Scotland when they are neither owners of Scotland or indeed have even an institution to decide on such a thing?
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
When Scotland wanted a referendum on leaving the UK they had to get permission from the English.
When England wanted a referendum on leaving the EU they didn't need permission from the Scots.

If you believe that's the exact same situation you are simply wrong.
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Huge if true!!

England wanted a referendum to leave the EU!

And there I thought the ballot said the United Kingdom and not England!

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NarrowBandFtw said:
remove all Scottish votes from the brexit vote, does it change the outcome?
make every single Scottish vote on brexit a 'no', does it change the outcome?

enough said
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Oh, not because of the union but because they have more people? Fair enough. I guess that's the democracy Scotland, Wales and NI entered with open eyes and now many want to dissolve. Let's see how that goes.

But yeah, I wasn't being intentionally idiotic, I thought you were doing the usual South African thing of 'we don't like the English cos they killed our women and children but the Scottish are okay'. Seriously, I get that a lot.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
When Scotland wanted a referendum on leaving the UK they had to get permission from the English.
When England wanted a referendum on leaving the EU they didn't need permission from the Scots.

If you believe that's the exact same situation you are simply wrong.
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I would actually like for the Scots to stand up for their own sovereignty, but Braveheart give people a false idea about politics in Scotland as if they are brave people. When if you really look at their politics they are backstabbing cowards and even in the time of Bruce Willis, the Scottish kings/clan leaders already sold out.

The Scots are their own worst enemy and I don't have much hope for them.
 
Spizz said:
I thought you were doing the usual South African thing of 'we don't like the English cos they killed our women and children but the Scottish are okay'. Seriously, I get that a lot.
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I like to throw that one at Englishmen for fun, but no I don't hold any serious grudge and if there's any preferential treatment it'll be because the Scots have a cooler accent and lots of whisky!

Point being England controls the UK, just like Germany controls the EU, actually England has more control over the UK than Germany has over the EU, but there are similarities.
 
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