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Emmanuel Macron has suggested he is against a further Brexit extension as the EU sought to sell the new deal but private comments from Germany’s chancellor highlighted the likelihood that one would still be offered.

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Macron against Brexit extension as Merkel keeps option open

German chancellor tells EU leaders UK should be offered extension if it is requested
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BBSA said:
I don’t know why I felt compelled to post this in here :erm:

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Yeah?

No!

I’m not sure how I can be accused of blind loyalty to a political party when I don’t even know what side I’m on :D
 
AdrianH said:
Wonder if the French frog will keep to his original statement not to agree to extension. The vote for extension needs to be unanimous for it to be granted.
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It's looking like Merkel's position is more like the EU position.

Officials in Brussels said there was little doubt that an extension request would be granted, despite the prime minister’s attempts to throw doubt on such a move.

On Friday, Macron had tried to help Johnson cajole MPs into backing his deal by suggesting that he was opposed to a delay. “I am not trying to read into the future but I do not think we shall grant any further delay,” he had said.

A spokesman for the Élysée Palace said that any further delay “was not in anyone’s interest”.

But EU sources said the private comments of Merkel better represented the leaders’ position.

She had told EU leaders that a Brexit extension would be unavoidable if British MPs vote down the new deal. Merkel said leaders had a responsibility not to push the UK out without a deal.
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Brexit: Johnson sends unsigned letter asking for delay, and second arguing against it

PM sends to Donald Tusk a photocopy of the request required by Benn Act, with a conflicting view in a second letter
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I think the EU needs give a mandate though. Make UK sign an agreement to either leave or remain in three months time. No more delays and extensions will be accepted, no more negotiations.
 
AdrianH said:
I think the EU needs give a mandate though. Make UK sign an agreement to either leave or remain in three months time. No more delays and extensions will be accepted, no more negotiations.
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If (as an example) the UK were to decide to run another referendum (which is starting to look like something being considered as an amendment to BoJo's withdrawal deal) they would need to agree another extension of 6-12 months to legislate and set up. This makes it hard to make a hard target date.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
Well, that is what happens when you become a one-trick pony like the Limp Dumbs...
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Can put this in a glass case in the lack of self-awareness museum.

The Voice said:
...the half-decent-better-than-nothing deals that Remain keeps voting down, as if there's some sort of motivation to make it all fail just so they can say "see? We told you so".
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Why'd do you leave out that the Brexiteers voted it down, too? Multiple times.

AdrianH said:
Exactly, if everyone honoured the result and worked together to get the best deal through instead of half pushing and half blocking, things would be so much better for everyone concerned.
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So why'd the Brexiteers vote May's deal down repeatedly?

ToxicBunny said:
That's nice... You can't answer the question then can you?
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He can't, cos it'll be tantamount to admitting the hypocrisy.

Another referendum is verboten except the 2016 one was already "another one". Also, having endless elections after 2 years is fine somehow.

Verde said:
The mechanism to get a 2nd referendum exists. Bring down the government through a motion of no confidence and install Corbyn as PM to oversee the referendum.
I predict voters will severely punish those behind these machinations in that referendum and hand the hard Brexiteers a huge victory. The UK will be the loser.
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Why would that be a valid process?

And what do you base the prediction on?

Verde said:
I support constitutional democracy where no one is above the law.
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So... not what the UK has, then?

Chris_the_Brit said:
So why are the hardcore Brexiteers who never voted for Mays deal now voting for it if it is the same deal?
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So achingly close to getting it.
 
Apologies if this was asked before, I haven't read all the posts.

Just need a "for dummies explanation"

If EU refuses extension, does that mean UK exits with the current deal even though not approved by parliament, or will they exit with no deal, even though it is illegal from UK point of view. Or what will happen.

TIA
 
Bernie said:
Apologies if this was asked before, I haven't read all the posts.

Just need a "for dummies explanation"

If EU refuses extension, does that mean UK exits with the current deal even though not approved by parliament, or will they exit with no deal, even though it is illegal from UK point of view. Or what will happen.

TIA
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AIUI, the exit would be with no deal in place.
 
Pitbull said:
This ^^

Just to add, ALL 27 Members need to approve the extension. Meaning just one saying no will Veto the extension.
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I am guessing at least one country will veto, France sounds like they are out of patience already after all.
 
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