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An election now would be suicide for the tories and labour. The libdems and brexit party would clean up
 
millennia said:
An election now would be suicide for the tories and labour. The libdems and brexit party would clean up
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Quite possibly... But the end result would still be a hung parliament that can't decide if it's sunny outside in the middle of the most glorious summers day in the land of England.
 
Dave said:
Though I don't think a general election will solve anything now, it's likely to be pretty close to the 2017 results and ends up with another hung parliament.

The only paths I see are either an exit with a deal or a referendum to decide between no deal and remain. Once the Brexit question is finalised and over then an election should follow.
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You are wrong. The entry of the Brexit Party which has not contested elections yet, will tip the scales in favour of LEAVE. They were last polled to hold 15% of the popular vote if a snap election would take place.
 
Dave said:
They are more of a problem for the Tories, as they will split the leaver vote. If anything the Brexit Party will be instrumental in causing a hung parliament.
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Unless the Tories and Brexit Party formed a coalition.
I think Boris would reconsider this now he's got his back to the wall.
A few weeks ago he was cock sure of his abilities, snubbing the offer from Farage, and is now running out of options.
A Brexit Party lifeline may just be an option now, with little to loose and everything to gain.

Farage is no fool though. He'd want this reheated Theresa May deal (95% the same) off the table to clear the decks for a Clean Break Brexit before jumping into bed with Boris.

The New Deal (Treaty) will make the UK a EU vassal state for years to come, with even less say or bargaining power than they have now.

The ball is now in the hands of the EU who must collectively decide on an extension period. Their offer is dependant on all 27 EU states agreeing to the timetable. It is rumored both Poland and Hungary may veto an extension, due to their ongoing anti-EU stance.

Let's see how this all unfolds. There have been so many flip flops in recent times, anything is possible.
 
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Dave said:
As I've said before, he can't, it's not in his power to call an election.
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Well aware that it needs a 2 thirds majority.

So those not wanting to support his deal should agree to an Election. Simple isn't it? Or do they know this whole mess will give Brexit all the voters it needs for a Majority in parliament so they don't want that either?
 
Dave said:
Care to point out the parliamentary rule that says a by-election is required?
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It's not required but I was pointing out to Zippy that the 2017 parliament and the current parliament are definitely not the same. I'm merely pointing out that Boris would be likely winning all these close votes if they had held a by-election. Of course, not holding a by-election indicates they know they don't have a plurality of support in their constituency for their change.
 
The Free Radical said:
You are wrong. The entry of the Brexit Party which has not contested elections yet, will tip the scales in favour of LEAVE. They were last polled to hold 15% of the popular vote if a snap election would take place.
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Nope, the majority of the Brexit Party is new/improved UKIP, as such they have contested national elections (seven times unsuccessfully for Nigel Farage).
 
ToxicBunny said:
Quite possibly... But the end result would still be a hung parliament that can't decide if it's sunny outside in the middle of the most glorious summers day in the land of England.
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What about the summers in the gorgeous lands of Scotland and Wales????

Or are trying to say only England is Britain?
 
Pitbull said:
Well aware that it needs a 2 thirds majority.

So those not wanting to support his deal should agree to an Election. Simple isn't it? Or do they know this whole mess will give Brexit all the voters it needs for a Majority in parliament so they don't want that either?
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This is the correct assessment.

The Lib Dems, Labour and others want another LIMITED Referendum (two questions) BEFORE an election.

The questions will be : -

1. New Deal (keeping the UK as vassal state of the EU for next two years and potentially much longer with cunning delays as we have seen in the last week).

2. Revoke Article 50 and stay in the EU, reversing the 2016 results.

The option of a No Deal / Clean Break / LEAVE vote will be omitted from the question paper altogether, denying an option to leave with a clean break under WTO terms and reclaiming sovereignty over all UK affairs.

An election BEFORE a REFERENDUM would mean that the Brexit Party would enter Westsminster and tip the scales in favour of LEAVE without much delay.

This is a battle between the forces of 12.4 million people who voted LEAVE (the majority), and who are demanding the 2016 referendum be honoured, and pro EU sycophants who orginally voted for a referendum, voted for article 50 and to leave, and who's bet backfired and now refuse to honour the people's vote.

A fight for individual nationalist liberty vs collective socialist servitude.
 
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Ok, so the deal has been approved, but we're probably not leaving on the 31st. So when?
 
The Voice said:
Ok, so the deal has been approved, but we're probably not leaving on the 31st. So when?
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No, the deal wasn't approved, they agreed to debate the Act, but with vote 2 refused to do it on BoJo's timetable. They want to set their own timetable (and probably time for amendments to the Act, lots of amendments, would be my guess).
 
Dave said:
No, the deal wasn't approved, they agreed to debate the Act, but with vote 2 refused to do it on BoJo's timetable. They want to set their own timetable (and probably time for amendments to the Act, lots of amendments, would be my guess).
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Correct. There are possibly gotchas throughout the 500+ page text which need to be dealt with before MPs will sign off on it.

So far the deal looks shyte though. It'll break up the UK faster than a no-deal Brexit. The more time that passes, the less chance the deal has of passing.
 
Dave said:
No, the deal wasn't approved, they agreed to debate the Act, but with vote 2 refused to do it on BoJo's timetable. They want to set their own timetable (and probably time for amendments to the Act, lots of amendments, would be my guess).
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Amendments to the act? IE: Amendments to the deal? Wouldn't EU need to approve?
 
Dave said:
No, the deal wasn't approved, they agreed to debate the Act, but with vote 2 refused to do it on BoJo's timetable. They want to set their own timetable (and probably time for amendments to the Act, lots of amendments, would be my guess).
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Ah right.
 
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