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Chris_the_Brit said:
Are you definitely sure about that? One of the big issues is PFIs...begun under Dave's hero, Tony Blair....https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_finance_initiative#United_Kingdom

Or the biggest NHS scandal to date happening under Labour? https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/06/mid-staffs-hospital-scandal-guide
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Yes. It's not solely his fault, though, as austerity is Tory doctrine, not only Hunt's.

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www.opendemocracy.net

How new chancellor Jeremy Hunt ruined the NHS

As the former health secretary is appointed to the Exchequer, his ministerial past puts paid to his ‘sensible’ image
www.opendemocracy.net www.opendemocracy.net

"Jeremy Hunt took over responsibility for the NHS in 2012. By the time he left the post 6 years later, patient experience and staff morale had both taken a dramatic turn for the worse across many key indicators. Winter crises deepened, with official figures showing 2017, 2018 and 2019 were successively “worst on record”. The British Medical Association (BMA) reported that by 2018 “the “winter crisis” has truly been replaced by a year-round crisis”. NHS rules say 95% of patients visiting A&E should be seen within a maximum of four hours. When Hunt took over the performance was just below target – 94.9%. Performance worsened steadily during his tenure and was 84% by the time he left, with the target having been missed every winter since 2013/4, and every single month since July 2015. That meant three times more patients waiting over four hours to be seen in A&E when Hunt left office than when he took over.

Other targets – notably cancer referral times and waiting times for planned operations – also went from being comfortably exceeded to being missed every month under Hunt’s watch.

Hunt oversaw years of historically low funding increases (around 1%, compared to an average of 6% in the years between 1997 and 2010, and compared to the 4.3% recommended by the Office of Budget Responsibility and the likes of the Kings Fund, Health Foundation and Nuffield Trust, as the minimum to keep up with health inflation and increasing demand). Perhaps most damagingly, he oversaw a significant cut to the amount that hospitals were paid per procedure (payments which make up three quarters of their income)."
 
We were lucky, my nearest major hospital had approval for major building works just before the Conservatives came to power so we've got a modern up to date facility with a specialised Emergency Care centre and new major surgery centre.

This is the lobby area of the new Emergency centre

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Ground floor has Costa, Subway and newsagent/shop.

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This is the on-site pathology centre

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Dave said:
We were lucky, my nearest major hospital had approval for major building works just before the Conservatives came to power so we've got a modern up to date facility with a specialised Emergency Care centre and new major surgery centre.

This is the lobby area of the new Emergency centre

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Ground floor has Costa, Subway and newsagent/shop.

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This is the on-site pathology centre

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Bloody hell. I'm moving to Sunderland. My car may not be there when I come out from treatment, but at least there's insurance and Uber for that
 
The Voice said:
My experience with the NHS, especially A&E, has been nothing but exceptional. The care I've received after being admitted (wards, doctors, etc) can even be compared to private medical care in SA. They really do try their best with what they have available.

Not sure what an outsider's view of an NHS hospital is, but it's a million miles away from shitholes like JHB Gen, that's for sure. There aren't people dying in the waiting rooms with pangas still stuck in their heads, etc.

Wait times, in my experience, are unnecessarily ramped up by people who go to the A&E when their ailment DOESN'T REQUIRE IMMEDIATE EMERGENCY TREATMENT. I really can't stress that enough! I'm "fortunate" in that I usually get pushed to the front of the triage queue anyway, so usually only have to wait a few minutes when I go. But then again, I'm not there because I've stubbed my toe, or have a hangover (yes, that's an actual reason people go to the A&E).
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Do infants get preference?
 
AdrianH said:
Do infants get preference?
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I imagine that they might. Of course, that all depends on the nurses doing the triage. Unless you're brought in by ambulance, you're first going to stand in a queue to speak to reception anyway, who then direct you to the triage waiting area. While I haven't seen children being pushed through, I've seen the elderly being escorted to the front.
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
The debate around the NHS is severely narrow in the UK - if you seen to criticize it, the Left go complete ape-**** and says it is the "envy of the world" (I'm sure people who have to wait in A&E for hours on end for some guy who stubbed his toe might disagree). The Swiss (as in most things) have it much better. That's the huge problem with all big state institutions - also just want more money...no talk of reform and efficiency improvements.
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The UK's NHS is highly rated. Yes, it has deficiencies. But you clearly have no clue what you're talking about if you really believe there is has been no talk of reform or efficiency improvements. Not only are there currently, but there always have been. The modern NHS also provides significantly more services than the original did.

The Voice said:
But the NHS is definitely in a bad way, made evident by the doubling of the NHS surcharge for new foreign residents. Either that, or everyone working here has to start paying even more for it than we already do.
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That charge looks more symbolic than anything. Charging the equivalent of one month's NHS contribution per year of visa isn't much. Seems more likely the intent was to appease the xenophobes.
 
noxibox said:
The UK's NHS is highly rated. Yes, it has deficiencies. But you clearly have no clue what you're talking about if you really believe there is has been no talk of reform or efficiency improvements. Not only are there currently, but there always have been. The modern NHS also provides significantly more services than the original did.


That charge looks more symbolic than anything. Charging the equivalent of one month's NHS contribution per year of visa isn't much. Seems more likely the intent was to appease the xenophobes.
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The NHS is the fifth biggest employer in the world. You got to be kidding me if it could not be slimmed down somewhat. Not even Thatcher took on the NHS. That says something.
 
You when you read something and just know it will cause @Chris_the_Brit an attack of apoplexy...

Sinn Fein stands down in three seats to help remainers, including the unionist Sylvia Hermon

Sinn Fein has announced it will not stand in three constituencies in Northern Ireland in a bid to prevent DUP MPs winning the seats. The party will stand aside in South Belfast, East Belfast and North Down. As the Press Association reports, Sinn Fein president Mary Lou McDonald urged supporters to instead back the SDLP, the Alliance party and independent unionist Lady Sylvia Hermon respectively in those three seats.
Announcing the move, McDonald said:
In many ways this is a once-in-a-generation election, the stakes are very high in this election. People have a fundamental choice to make - to vote for a positive, inclusive future or to turn their backs on that and to back candidates who have been the architects of Brexit and who have acted very, very deliberately against the democratic wishes of people here in the north and more fundamentally against the economic and social interests of citizens who live here.
You can call this a pact, you can call it what you wish - the reality is we are asking people to come out and vote for those pro-Remain candidates. We believe that is the right and progressive thing to do.
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www.theguardian.com

Lindsay Hoyle elected new Speaker of the House of Commons – as it happened

Rolling coverage of the day’s political events as they happen, including 2019 general election campaigning
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Gingerbeardman said:
Sounds a bit edited.
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Well, it isn't.

Here's the story behind the recording.

www.independent.co.uk

Darius, Boris and a blast from the past

A convicted fraudster and self-confessed 'potential psychopath', Darius Guppy has long been a source of embarrassment for his old friend, Boris Johnson. Now a tape has come to light in which the pair discuss beating up a journalist
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
Dave said:
You when you read something and just know it will cause @Chris_the_Brit an attack of apoplexy...



www.theguardian.com

Lindsay Hoyle elected new Speaker of the House of Commons – as it happened

Rolling coverage of the day’s political events as they happen, including 2019 general election campaigning
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Not really. It's unlikely that the Tories will be in alliance with the DUP anytime soon, in fact the Tories are probably the only party who have to get a majority,

Belfast East - safe-ish DUP.
Belfast South - probably DUP will lose
North Downs - not occuped by a DUP member currently

So all in all, only likely 1 seat affected.

By the way, I'm laughing at the Greens thinking they have a chance in the Isle of Wight. Lib Dems standing down there...but oh look they only got 4 percent of the vote. :ROFL:
 
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