Vox Populi Vox Dei
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Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
BXP needs to stand down, although I'm highly sceptical of polling companies who do work on behalf of political parties.
All the Survation polls commissioned by the Lib Dems unsurprisingly have Lib Dems in 1st place so the Lib Dems can make it out as if they are in the game and you MUST vote for them.
All the Survation polls commissioned by the Lib Dems unsurprisingly have Lib Dems in 1st place so the Lib Dems can make it out as if they are in the game and you MUST vote for them.
Hamish McPanji
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Not really. It's unlikely that the Tories will be in alliance with the DUP anytime soon, in fact the Tories are probably the only party who have to get a majority,
Belfast East - safe-ish DUP.
Belfast South - probably DUP will lose
North Downs - not occuped by a DUP member currently
So all in all, only likely 1 seat affected.
By the way, I'm laughing at the Greens thinking they have a chance in the Isle of Wight. Lib Dems standing down there...but oh look they only got 4 percent of the vote.
Clearly, I don't get your sense of humour. Greens got 17% in the last election. Another 4% , and that takes them to 21% . Labour was on 23% . They are close to being the 2nd largest party there
UKIP stood there, when you were a fanboy of theirs. They sat on 3.5% for 3 elections. Why did they bother competing? Oh yeah, they shot up to 21% at some point, then they went back to whence they belonged.
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Yeah, being stabbed in the back tends to have that result.
Hamish McPanji
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Maybe the Libdems are not as stupid as you make them out to be, and are commissioning polls in areas where they know they are strong.
In a shitty fptp system, there are not many options to actually show your viability, this is one of the things that you can do to show that. Doesn't mean you "MUST" vote for them, but points to the likelihood of your vote actually counting.
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
Because Greens are aiming (LOL!) to win the Isle of Wight, not merely come a distant second. No prizes for 2nd place in FPTP. Tories and Labour are not going to stand down in any seat, so the Remain alliance is only really effective when there is a big-ish combined LDEM/GREEN/that weirdo nationalist Welsh party in a constituency. The reality is the Greens have a risible vote share in most constituencies and them standing down is not likely to effect the overall result.
Anyway, here is the list of pacts so far:
The total doesn't really mean anything in itself. It's certainly not an indication of a need to cut staff. Regardless your claim that there is never talk of reform or improving efficiency is absolute nonsense and demonstrates a lack of knowledge of the history of the NHS.
That even she wasn't deluded enough to sell it off? Actually she was, and wanted to, but backed off because the voters would have killed her and the party.
Even at a private hospital emergency room you're going to wait. You'll have to stand in line to let them know you're there and why you've come, then they'll get to you when they can. And even though some people believe private hospitals would be better than the UK or another social democracy's national health system there are no grounds for thinking so. Private hospitals don't need to provide particularly efficient service to get medical business. They'll know that people have to go somewhere. They'll also know that you'll just have to pay for their wastage and inefficiency.
If handed over the UK would probably end up like the US or South Africa where private health services bleed patients. Unless of course they regulate medical rates (like a civilised country). But the Tory loons are unlikely to do that if they've already wrecked the NHS.
Which is as it should be. For some reason this sort of thing freaks some people out.
The Voice
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Indeed. It's amazing what can be achieved with tax revenue when it isn't being stolen by the billions. Living in the 1st World has been an eye-opener in that regard.
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Hamish McPanji
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The only person who really believes that they are trying to win that seat is you. Most people, especially those participating know that they are unlikely to win that seat, but will try nonetheless. And they have a better chance with the Libdems standing down. That distant second is a psychological boost for the election, and pipping labour in 2nd is huge, whichever way your small mind want to paint it.
People were taking the piss that you didn't understand the British political system. But now I'm convinced that you have a very weak grasp of politics in general.
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
Lol. So you admitted it is extremely likely that the stand down will have no actual, practical effect. That was my original point. I don't care for much about psycho-babble bollocks like "psychological boosts".
Also many stand downs don't even make sense. Lib Dems will clearly win Richmond without the Greenies standing down - a real pity really, as it's a rather pleasant area to live in and has the feel that it should always be Conservative.
Hamish McPanji
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Do you actually read the trollop that you write? Psycho babble crap are what elections are all about. That's why different parties compete until they have enough to mount a challenge to the status quo.
Especially with FPTP, the viability of any party to win is largely decided based on their last election result....if Greens manage to get anywhere close to 30%, it starts to look like a suitable alternative to the incumbents which encourages voting, as alternative votes actually might count.
Edit: And who knows what presents the Brexit Party will bring with their participation. Or maybe they shouldn't participate anywhere, because it's FPTP so technically they have no history to stand on
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Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
Another great prediction by me. Got in at much higher odds that what was available today
No more biased Remoaner wrecking amendments!
Dave
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Betting on the odds-on favourite doesn't constitute a "great prediction" you Aussie plonker!
Hamish McPanji
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Another great prediction by me. Got in at much higher odds that what was available today
No more biased Remoaner wrecking amendments!
Great prediction? Wasn't Hoyle the favourite by quite a bit?
Jessica O'Reilly of Ladbrokes said: "Hoyle has been the favourite to replace Bercow for a while, and it would be a surprise to both bookies and punters if he didn't land the job."
Oh, I get it. You predicted what was expected
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
There are many upsets in politics though...and I got in at 1.53. It was 1.08 today. But you do have a point.
But I'm very close to betting on Tories winning Cities of London and Westminster at 2/1 (Lib Dems at 2/1). Just saw they selected they selected the leader on the council...good local candidate!
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Hamish McPanji
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When was it 1.53?
Dave
Honorary Master
The Brexit Party is full of loons...
@Chris_the_Brit
Do you know this guy? Not related in any way are you?
@Chris_the_Brit
Do you know this guy? Not related in any way are you?
Dave
Honorary Master
What a political genius you are!!!!
You're "very close" to betting that the Tories will win a seat they currently hold and have held since 1950?
I'm staggered by your political acumen!!!!
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