The Brexit Thread

[ToxicBunny]

I'm sure that's enough experience to allow yourself to be considered an expert on the issue...

Well he was 12 during one of the experiences, and of course he knew everything back then... so it qualifies.

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

I'm sure that's enough experience to allow yourself to be considered an expert on the issue...

But Dave you don't live in SA anymore so you can't comment on the issue. See how this works?

Well he was 12 during one of the experiences, and of course he knew everything back then... so it qualifies.

I take it you use public healthcare then? Oh wait, no. 95% of MyBBers are on private healthcare. I don't know why you are disputing a very obvious fact that private healthcare is superior to public healthcare in SA. Of course there are some good public hospitals like Groote Schuur but I'm clearly talking in aggregate.

 

[Dave]

But Dave you don't live in SA anymore so you can't comment on the issue. See how this works?

Where have I offered any personal opinion of how the SA hospital system works?

Just quote the post...

 

[ToxicBunny]

But Dave you don't live in SA anymore so you can't comment on the issue. See how this works?



I take it you use public healthcare then? Oh wait, no. 95% of MyBBers are on private healthcare. I don't know why you are disputing a very obvious fact that private healthcare is superior to public healthcare in SA.

Show me one single post in this thread where I claimed public healthcare is good, or better than Private healthcare.... Actually anywhere on this forum would be good.

Go on son..... its a nice little challenge for you.

 

[Dave]

Show me one single post in this thread where I claimed public healthcare is good, or better than Private healthcare.... Actually anywhere on this forum would be good.

Go on son..... its a nice little challenge for you.

Wait your turn!

I'm still waiting for him to show evidence for his BS post and asked first

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Oh dear, Not even Labour's brightest legal mind can explain Labour's nonsensical Brexit policy which is seemingly to campaign against their own deal...

I've figured it out. They're trying to appeal to the "unsure about Brexit" crowd. By being unsure about Brexit.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Wait your turn!

I'm still waiting for him to show evidence for his BS post and asked first

He can work on them together.....

He's smart like that isn't he since he knows everything and can fix the NHS.

 

[Unhappy1]

I don't know why you are disputing a very obvious fact that private healthcare is superior to public healthcare in SA.

Chris_the_strawman_Brit

 

[Vox Populi Vox Dei]

Wait your turn!

I'm still waiting for him to show evidence for his BS post and asked first

AlmightyBender claimed he/she/any other gender pronoun p) spent more time waiting in a private healthcare facility in SA than the picture I posted about the UK NHS A&E waiting time. I see you "liked" the post, so the implication is you agree with the post and thus indirectly agree with the sweeping statement made by AlmightyBender (which relates to the SA healthcare system). I then responded to AB saying I've had a completely different experience which of course you disputed, bizarrely claiming my post implied that I regarded myself as an expert in healthcare in SA? All I've said about SA healthcare is private is better than public...really not that hard to comprehend and you don't need to be an "expert" in the healthcare industry in SA.

Show me one single post in this thread where I claimed public healthcare is good, or better than Private healthcare.... Actually anywhere on this forum would be good.

Go on son..... its a nice little challenge for you.

So why are you taking such angst that I've had a different experience to AB w.r.t private healthcare in SA? Of course with private healthcare you are going to get bad experiences - there are millions who have private healthcare in SA - but again, I'm not particularly interested in anecdotal stories here or there. It is well known in SA that private healthcare is better than public healthcare in aggregate. Literally that is all I'm saying.

Anyway, got to go now. Cheerio and have a good day!

 

[Spizz]

AlmightyBender claimed he/she/any other gender pronoun p) spent more time waiting in a private healthcare facility in SA than the picture I posted about the UK NHS A&E waiting time. I see you "liked" the post, so the implication is you agree with the post and thus indirectly agree with the sweeping statement made by AlmightyBender (which relates to the SA healthcare system). I then responded to AB saying I've had a completely different experience which of course you disputed, bizarrely claiming my post implied that I regarded myself as an expert in healthcare in SA? All I've said about SA healthcare is private is better than public...really not that hard to comprehend and you don't need to be an "expert" in the healthcare industry in SA.



So why are you taking such angst that I've had a different experience to AB w.r.t private healthcare in SA? Of course with private healthcare you are going to get bad experiences - there are millions who have private healthcare in SA - but again, I'm not particularly interested in anecdotal stories here or there. It is well known in SA that private healthcare is better than public healthcare in aggregate. Literally that is all I'm saying.

Anyway, got to go now. Cheerio and have a good day!

Off to spend your winnings?

Is that one Mars Bar, or two?

 

[Dave]

AlmightyBender claimed he/she/any other gender pronoun p) spent more time waiting in a private healthcare facility in SA than the picture I posted about the UK NHS A&E waiting time. I see you "liked" the post, so the implication is you agree with the post and thus indirectly agree with the sweeping statement made by AlmightyBender

You're making crap up again, liking a post doesn't make the content of the post mine, still waiting for you to quote one of my posts to prove your statement.

I can like the sentiment of any post, especially one with such a good description of you.

you don't need to be an "expert" in the healthcare industry in SA.

But you're an expert at everything, aren't you?

 

[theratman]

I'm in the UK at the moment and opened up a bank account first, which was used as my proof of address (again, that was fortunate as the bank in question simply accepted it. One of these start-up banks that don't ask too many questions compared to the traditional banks). Strangely, they didn't ask too many questions (at the time my Starling bank account had £0 in it, lol). I actually thought I was going to be refused. If they had been more probing, I probably would have been out of luck.

If you work in the industry in SA, please tell whoever you work for to put up more political betting markets! SA bookies are fairly good on sport but bad on everything else. Soccer & tennis are my huge interests and developing an interest in the NBA, since it seems to happen every night. Problem with making long-term political bets is that the event (e.g. US presidential election) are so far ahead of time, your money is tied up for a long time...you obviously lose the value when it gets closer to the event, but then you get the money quicker. Just as an example, there is a big political gambler in the UK called Mike Smithson - his most famous bet is picking Obama in 2006 to be the Democratic nominee in 2008. Odds were 50/1 at the time but...urghhh...waiting 2 years for a payout - and that assumes you pick it correctly - is too long in my books.

That makes sense, thanks. Thought it might have been something like that.

If you want political markets all you need to do is ask. Lots of local books will price on request and simply follow overseas lines - a percentage or 2.

There used to be alot more but guys just don't bet on it, or the bookmaker limits their exposure to the market, allowing only small bets.

Outright bets are great if there's no h2h betting, but otherwise I agree waiting 2 years is crazy.

 

[AlmightyBender]

I've had nothing but exemplary service when I've had an emergency - admittedly only twice - one when I was 9-years-old and the other when I was 12, so quite a while ago.

My point is your argument is based on assumptions (waiting times in emergency) that are demonstrably false.
Ultimately with a profit incentive a business has an incentive to minimize costs. In this case it would be to employ the MINIMUM amount of doctors and nurses allowed by the law.

Thus waiting times in private can be much worse. Ever had to wait 4 months for an appointment for a specialist? I have. Many times. Because there are so few of them. And because of this they can charge whatever they want. Which they do.

You are welcome to argue for privatized healthcare but at least base it on reality.

 

[AlmightyBender]

All I've said about SA healthcare is private is better than public

Yes this is correct. For the 20% of the population that can afford it. Is this what you want for the UK?

 

[ToxicBunny]

AlmightyBender claimed he/she/any other gender pronoun p) spent more time waiting in a private healthcare facility in SA than the picture I posted about the UK NHS A&E waiting time. I see you "liked" the post, so the implication is you agree with the post and thus indirectly agree with the sweeping statement made by AlmightyBender (which relates to the SA healthcare system). I then responded to AB saying I've had a completely different experience which of course you disputed, bizarrely claiming my post implied that I regarded myself as an expert in healthcare in SA? All I've said about SA healthcare is private is better than public...really not that hard to comprehend and you don't need to be an "expert" in the healthcare industry in SA.



So why are you taking such angst that I've had a different experience to AB w.r.t private healthcare in SA? Of course with private healthcare you are going to get bad experiences - there are millions who have private healthcare in SA - but again, I'm not particularly interested in anecdotal stories here or there. It is well known in SA that private healthcare is better than public healthcare in aggregate. Literally that is all I'm saying.

Anyway, got to go now. Cheerio and have a good day!

Again, Me showing angst? No, I'm just calling you on your bollocks... fundamentally different things little one.

 

[The Voice]

That makes sense, thanks. Thought it might have been something like that.

If you want political markets all you need to do is ask. Lots of local books will price on request and simply follow overseas lines - a percentage or 2.

There used to be alot more but guys just don't bet on it, or the bookmaker limits their exposure to the market, allowing only small bets.

Outright bets are great if there's no h2h betting, but otherwise I agree waiting 2 years is crazy.

Don't remember the exact odds, but putting a tenner on an acca of Trump winning, Leave winning and Leicester winning the EPL would've made you a millionaire.

Long odds in the UK were permanently slashed after Leicester won: hundreds, if not thousands, cashed in on 5000/1. Bookies got raped, and lost millions. They're never going to take that kind of hit ever again. I doubt you'll even see many 50/1 odds for political bets, either.

 

[The Voice]

My point is your argument is based on assumptions (waiting times in emergency) that are demonstrably false.
Ultimately with a profit incentive a business has an incentive to minimize costs. In this case it would be to employ the MINIMUM amount of doctors and nurses allowed by the law.

Thus waiting times in private can be much worse. Ever had to wait 4 months for an appointment for a specialist? I have. Many times. Because there are so few of them. And because of this they can charge whatever they want. Which they do.

You are welcome to argue for privatized healthcare but at least base it on reality.

Average waiting time for a specialist referral on the NHS is 6 months. They do speed it up a little if it's for something serious, so credit where it's due.

Honestly, a faster referral time would probably be the only reason I'd ever think of going private in the UK - for everything else, the NHS is fine. Of course, trying to get a GP appointment is a bit of a nightmare sometimes, but if you ring at 08:00 as soon as the lines open, it's easy to get something on the day.

 

[Dave]

Average waiting time for a specialist referral on the NHS is 6 months. They do speed it up a little if it's for something serious, so credit where it's due.

Maximum waiting times for non-urgent referrals
The maximum waiting time for non-urgent consultant-led treatments is 18 weeks from the day your appointment is booked through the NHS e-Referral Service, or when the hospital or service receives your referral letter.
However, your right to an 18-week waiting time does not apply if:

• you choose to wait longer
• delaying the start of your treatment is in your best clinical interests – for example, where stopping smoking or losing weight is likely to improve the outcome of the treatment
• it is clinically appropriate for your condition to be actively monitored in secondary care without clinical intervention or diagnostic procedures at that stage
• you fail to attend appointments that you had chosen from a set of reasonable options
• the treatment is no longer necessary

Maximum waiting times for urgent cancer referrals
The maximum waiting time for suspected cancer is two weeks from the day your appointment is booked through the NHS e-Referral Service, or when the hospital or service receives your referral letter.

Guide to NHS waiting times in England

A guide to maximum waiting times for non-urgent consultant-led treatment, or to be seen by a specialist for suspected cancer, in England.

www.nhs.uk

 

[Dave]

Of course, trying to get a GP appointment is a bit of a nightmare sometimes, but if you ring at 08:00 as soon as the lines open, it's easy to get something on the day.

This is true, if you don't mind which GP in the practice you see phoning in the morning will get an appointment that day, if you want to see a specific GP it can be a lot longer, I want to see the same GP I saw on my last visit so the first appointment I could get was the 28th of November when booking last week (GP is on holiday for 3 weeks in Nov, so my bad luck).

 

[noxibox]

My point is your argument is based on assumptions (waiting times in emergency) that are demonstrably false.
Ultimately with a profit incentive a business has an incentive to minimize costs. In this case it would be to employ the MINIMUM amount of doctors and nurses allowed by the law.

Thus waiting times in private can be much worse. Ever had to wait 4 months for an appointment for a specialist? I have. Many times. Because there are so few of them. And because of this they can charge whatever they want. Which they do.

In fact unless there are so many hospitals and doctors that they're struggling to get enough patients to earn an income medical services can always charge whatever they want unless government steps in to keep it under control. That's because they know you have to buy their services. At least for the serious things. Which are the ones that tend to be the most expensive.

You are welcome to argue for privatized healthcare but at least base it on reality.

The problem is that its hard to come up with any argument in favour of privatised health services other than on ideological grounds.