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The Voice said:
I think nationalisation is sometimes necessary (NHS, rail networks, etc), but that privatisation is equally important (power, utilities, industry). I believe immigration should be tightly controlled (I had to jump through hoops to get into the UK - why should someone be given a free pass just because they showed up on a dinghy?). And I belong to a union. I'm a mixed bag of beliefs and opinions, but after all checks and balances are done, I'm centre-Right.

While I've never been 100% anti-Labour - there are things they stand for that I cannot ever condone, but others that I strongly agree with - Corbyn has, during his term as it's leader, pushed it so far to the Left it's unrecognisable and has alienated people who may just have been enticed otherwise. With him inevitably stepping down, it's probably time for New New Labour. After a few years, and a lot changes, they may become a viable option again. But not for the foreseeable future - Corbyn has simply done way too much damage to the party. It needs to move away from far Left to centre-Left before it will ever win another election.
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Personally I think that the Lefties are too arrogant to admit this. They will only double down. The next Labour leader will also be far left.

Another prediction - Hilary Clinton will enter the US presidential race and lose to Trump again.
 
Very important, besides Brexit, is that now the proposal to reduce parliament to 600 MPs from 650 will be passed. This will make quite a difference in future elections, as the new constituency boundaries are believed to give a slight benefit to the Tories.
 
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Hamish McPanji said:
I complained about what an unfair system it was when UKIP didn't get their fair share a couple of elections ago. And I will complain about it now as well. It's a schit system, where typically 50-65% of the voters vote doesn't matter.
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You don't want the other end of the spectrum like you have in SA where MPs are solely accountable to their party's leadership.

The hybrid system where there are a number of seats in the house reserved to make sure that the outcome of the constituency election is proportional to the vote for each party is what should happen.
 
C4Cat said:
Honestly, looking at all his promises (Johnson), one has to wonder who the socialist is here:
https://news.sky.com/story/how-much-do-all-of-boris-johnsons-promises-cost-11783796

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...rvative-majority-election-results-latest-news

- massively increase investment in the NHS
- record spending on schools
- colossal new investments in infrastructure
- more police
- action on climate change
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Well that kinda is the problem that labour has, is that there wasn't anything stopping the Tories from just taking a less radical version of all their policies and remove things like having a manifesto on race...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/25/labour-to-launch-race-and-faith-manifesto
 
konfab said:
Well that kinda is the problem that labour has, is that there wasn't anything stopping the Tories from just taking a less radical version of all their policies and remove things like having a manifesto on race...
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/25/labour-to-launch-race-and-faith-manifesto
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I actually completely missed this. Holy cow! A race and faith based manifesto? OMG! I'm glad they didn't win.

I'll be honest - I voted Conservative despite disagreeing with Brexit, because I see Red Labour as a bigger threat to the UK than a Tory Brexit.

Voting Labour and Left would be sending the country down a path that I can't follow. I may disagree with Brexit, but I am still on the right of the spectrum. If Labour were closer to centre, I might voted for them. But I can't vote for ultra far left SJW madness.

And I'm pleased that Swinson is out - I like some of the Lib Dem policies but I didn't trust her at all. In fact I think Johnson is better than Swinson. And that is saying a lot because I don't trust Johnson at all.
 
C4Cat said:
Honestly, looking at all his promises (Johnson), one has to wonder who the socialist is here:
https://news.sky.com/story/how-much-do-all-of-boris-johnsons-promises-cost-11783796

https://www.express.co.uk/news/poli...rvative-majority-election-results-latest-news

- massively increase investment in the NHS
- record spending on schools
- colossal new investments in infrastructure
- more police
- action on climate change
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Because the people his campaign targeted rely on public services to a far greater degree than in 'traditional' (i.e. affluent) Tory seats. He (or his campaign) realised that TMay's message of Brexit + continuing austerity wasn't enough to tip many labour seats blue. Remember in many Labour seats, there were strong Leave majorities, but that doesn't mean they don't like 'big government'. Brexiteers come in all flavours! As I said earlier in this thread, I'm not blind to the challenges that will face the Tories in this regard as they now have a huge number of MPs from unfamiliar areas (30 percent of Tory MPs are new) who will bring a different dimension to the Tory party. One thing you can be sure though is there will be very few, if any, rebellions as many of the new MPs will feel they owe their seats to BoJo.
 
From his speech:
"And you the people of this country voted to be carbon neutral in this election.

"You voted to be carbon neutral by 2050 and we will do it. You also voted to be Corbyn neutral by Christmas by the way and we'll do that too.
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Corbyn neutral - bwa ha ha ha!
 

This is exactly why the Tories won.

EDIT: I see it isn't visible anymore but I was responding to @Alan's post with the video from Channel 4.
 
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Unhappy438 said:
Uncertainty is an economy killer, a majority is a good outcome for Britain overall. Now for them to get Brexit done, they have no one to blame but themselves if they cant.
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Not a Boris fan at all, but this I can agree with.

AT least there is a path for now, even if it will all go to sh*t by the end of 2020.
 
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Conservative change in vote share only +1.2% (almost the same as the Green Party at +1.1% change in vote share)
It looks like, in terms of vote share, the -7.8% loss Labour experienced actually went to the LibDems (+4.1 increase in vote share), the Brexit party (+2% vote share) and then conservative and others.
 
ZORMG, the party that has become the torch carrier for brexit has gained support while the party dead set on having another referendum has lost support?!?

wtf is this?!? the twilight zone?!? better have another referendum, that first one clearly still is not representative of the will of the people!!!
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
ZORMG, the party that has become the torch carrier for brexit has gained support while the party dead set on having another referendum has lost support?!?

wtf is this?!? the twilight zone?!? better have another referendum, that first one clearly still is not representative of the will of the people!!!
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To be fair, in terms of absolute votes, both the Tories and the Lib Dems made gains, with the Lib Dems having had a greater proportional gain but a smaller absolute gain.

The real loser here is Labour - apparently one thing the British do not like is a fence sitter. Well, and the far left.

EDIT: I feel like using percentages in terms of voting changes actually obscures things quite a bit, because a % gain for the Tories is much bigger than a % gain for the Lib Dems.

In terms of the absolute votes cast I mean. That is the more interesting statistic for me - how many people changed their minds? I feel like the percentage should possibly be percentage of the electorate rather than percentage change relative to one political party, if that makes sense.
 
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