The Brexit Thread

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Spizz said:
Even worse than trusting a Tory, she trusted the duplicitous lying cheating thieving clown they have in charge at the moment.
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BIGGEST DEFEAT IN 84 YEARS

And don't you forget it Mr Labour Man.

How did a Labour insider phrase the recent monumental loss...? Oh right, "Just because we stopped pissing in the bath, doesn't mean people want to get in."
 
Vorastra said:
BIGGEST DEAFEAT IN 84 YEARS

And don't you forget it Mr Labour Man.
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He's an SNP man, but yeah, not really much distinguishes the SNP from Labour ideologically except for the SNP's clamour for independence (although they strangely want to enter the EU even though the price of entry into the EU is loss of sovereignty on certain key aspects. Oh I forgot, it's independence from England...)

Must say it is a very strange situation that the SNP even has a manifesto saying they promise to hold a referendum on independence even though it is not in their power to do. It's like Sadiq Khan (London mayor) saying he will go to war with France.
 
The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
Must say it is a very strange situation that the SNP even has a manifesto saying they promise to hold a referendum on independence even though it is not in their power to do. It's like Sadiq Khan (London mayor) saying he will go to war with France.
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But @Dave @Cray @Spizz (I think) keep telling me I'm wrong.
Yet still they post no legislation showing the contrary.
 
Vorastra said:
But @Dave @Cray @Spizz (I think) keep telling me I'm wrong.
Yet still they post no legislation showing the contrary.
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Am sure there was a whole lot of UK legislation that said that the Republic of Ireland could never happen... Laws don't really apply if the majority refuse to recognize their validity.
 
The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
He's an SNP man, but yeah, not really much distinguishes the SNP from Labour ideologically except for the SNP's clamour for independence (although they strangely want to enter the EU even though the price of entry into the EU is loss of sovereignty on certain key aspects. Oh I forgot, it's independence from England...)
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Haha. Are you still believing that lie? Fanboys are gonna fanboy I guess.

And for the record, I’d be still on the fence about independence because I like the union and believe it could still be relevant and worthwhile. The English, Welsh and people of NI are like kin folk to me and I hold them in the highest regard. But the price to pay of having to put up with the Tories never being held to account for their lies and thieving is too much I reckon.
 
Cray said:
Am sure there was a whole lot of UK legislation that said that the Republic of Ireland could never happen... Laws don't really apply if the majority refuse to recognize their validity.
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lol, so your only answer is rebellion and war.
Let Scotland try. Good luck holding onto that oil in the North Sea.
 
Vorastra said:
But @Dave @Cray @Spizz (I think) keep telling me I'm wrong.
Yet still they post no legislation showing the contrary.
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It's quite clear from the Scotland Act of 1998 that any referendum held without the consent of the UK parliament would be a 'wildcat' referendum with no legal force. The SNP is of course welcome to hold a wildcat referendum but the UK parliament does not legally need to take notice.

Section 30 orders and the first Scottish independence referendum

Section 29 of the Scotland Act 1998 provides that an Act of the Scottish Parliament is “not law so far as any provision of the Act is outside the legislative competence of the Parliament”. Amongst other things, any provision which “relates to” matters “reserved” to the UK Parliament, which includes “the Union of the Kingdoms of Scotland and England” is outside that competence. It has generally been understood, albeit not accepted by the SNP, that legislation for any referendum on Scottish independence would fall within this category. Aside from questions of statutory interpretation, other constitutional debates could become relevant including, ultimately, between concepts of popular sovereignty, parliamentary sovereignty and the nature of the Union.

Section 30 of the Scotland Act 1998 provides a mechanism to temporarily or permanently grant legislative powers to the Scottish Parliament. A section 30 order can be initiated either by the Scottish or UK Governments, but requires approval by the UK and Scottish parliaments before becoming law.

Scotland’s first independence referendum was able to be held on this basis. In 2012, the Scottish and UK Governments signed the Edinburgh Agreement, which contained a draft section 30 order that allowed a single question referendum provided that it was held by the end of 2014. The UK and Scottish parliaments subsequently approved the order and the legality of the referendum was settled. The Scottish Parliament was granted control over key aspects of the referendum including the date, question wording and applicable franchise.
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Routes and obstacles to a second Scottish independence referendum

This briefing looks at recent developments and some of the legal and constitutional issues in play to assess the possible routes and obstacles to a second Scottish independence referendum. In doing so, it reviews the Scottish National Party (SNP) roadmap which they proposed to follow if a...
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Vorastra said:
lol, so your only answer is rebellion and war.
Let Scotland try. Good luck holding onto that oil in the North Sea.
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So, I noticed you dodged this question earlier, I assume you support democracy, if the majority of Scottish people want to leave the UK, what is your moral argument for preventing them from leaving?

Again, not talking about legalities, morally, how do you defend forcing them to stay against their will?
 
The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
He's an SNP man, but yeah, not really much distinguishes the SNP from Labour ideologically except for the SNP's clamour for independence (although they strangely want to enter the EU even though the price of entry into the EU is loss of sovereignty on certain key aspects. Oh I forgot, it's independence from England...)

Must say it is a very strange situation that the SNP even has a manifesto saying they promise to hold a referendum on independence even though it is not in their power to do. It's like Sadiq Khan (London mayor) saying he will go to war with France.
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What’s so strange about a country wanting to determine their own destiny?

Even plenty of you Aussies want to be a republic, no?
 
The_Right_Honourable_Brit said:
It's quite clear from the Scotland Act of 1998 that any referendum held without the consent of the UK parliament would be a 'wildcat' referendum with no legal force.\



www.herbertsmithfreehills.com

Routes and obstacles to a second Scottish independence referendum

This briefing looks at recent developments and some of the legal and constitutional issues in play to assess the possible routes and obstacles to a second Scottish independence referendum. In doing so, it reviews the Scottish National Party (SNP) roadmap which they proposed to follow if a...
www.herbertsmithfreehills.com www.herbertsmithfreehills.com
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Referenced multiple times. They don't seem to care.

Now I get answers like this from @Cray

And I quote:

"WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR"
 
Not a fan of Scotland breaking free from the UK.

I feel the law of unintended consequences will apply. Much like Brexit has.
 
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