The Coming War

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Not quite sure this is where I am supposed to put this, but here goes :-)

Who else is seeing a major effing war on the horizon? Is it just me or does it seem like the USA is purposefully attempting to aggravate China into firing the first shots...be it at the US or at Taiwan. It reminds me a lot of the things they did during WW2 before they entered it to aggravate the Japanese into firing the first shots. Or am I reading too deeply into this? lol
 
Dunno about USA vs China... I don't see the aggronessness you speak of. Although I wasn't there to watch USA vs Japan.

But North Korea is going ahead with nuclear testing and research. This is making the entire far eastern region a little tense. And besides a few slaps on the wrong wrists, the Yanks aren't really doing much about it.

I mean they went into Iraq coz of ALLEGED nukes and biologicals right? (let's take it on face value)
Here's a country where THEY KNOW they're fiddling in nuclear research AT THE SAME TIME as running inter-continental ballistic missile tests.
I'm not an expert on international diplomacy... but I would put 2 and 2 together.

After all, if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and walks like a duck... you can't tell me it's a Hyundai.

But America sits back and does nothing

BUT...
China will have to get involved in that little bum fight at some stage (they are neighbours after all) and that might be the catalyst for some major shifts in diplomatic policy.
If China goes in... USA can't sit back and lose their "World Police" status. (Not to mention the economic and technological gains that could go China's way if they decide on a full scale intervention... It'll be "The Cold War" Part Deux, Americaland can't afford China gaining that sort of superiority)

But that's all worst case scenario...

Right now, EVERYONE should be shifting their focus to fighting terrorism.
A bigger focus on INTELLIGENCE and SPEC war as opposed to stealth bombers and submarines.
 
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Not quite sure this is where I am supposed to put this, but here goes :-)

Who else is seeing a major effing war on the horizon? Is it just me or does it seem like the USA is purposefully attempting to aggravate China into firing the first shots...be it at the US or at Taiwan. It reminds me a lot of the things they did during WW2 before they entered it to aggravate the Japanese into firing the first shots. Or am I reading too deeply into this? lol

How exactly did they provoke Dec 7?
 
Nope, nothing. You are being paranoid. Neither country could afford that at all. They need each other.
 
I don't think the Chinese are stupid and they should recognise there is no better way to conquer the world than through economic domination. Wars are very expensive and destructive to all parties involved.

I'd have to go revise my history, but I don't recall the US provoking Japan into an attack. Not that it is beyond their government to sacrifice their soldiers for political gain as they did with Vietnam, a war they started under false pretenses.

Dunno about USA vs China... I don't see the aggronessness you speak of. Although I wasn't there to watch USA vs Japan.

But North Korea is going ahead with nuclear testing and research. This is making the entire far eastern region a little tense. And besides a few slaps on the wrong wrists, the Yanks aren't really doing much about it.

I mean they went into Iraq coz of ALLEGED nukes and biologicals right? (let's take it on face value)
Here's a country where THEY KNOW they're fiddling in nuclear research AT THE SAME TIME as running inter-continental ballistic missile tests.
I'm not an expert on international diplomacy... but I would put 2 and 2 together.

After all, if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and walks like a duck... you can't tell me it's a Hyundai.

But America sits back and does nothing

BUT...
China will have to get involved in that little bum fight at some stage (they are neighbours after all) and that might be the catalyst for some major shifts in diplomatic policy.
If China goes in... USA can't sit back and lose their "World Police" status. (Not to mention the economic and technological gains that could go China's way if they decide on a full scale intervention... It'll be "The Cold War" Part Deux, Americaland can't afford China gaining that sort of superiority)
I don't believe Iraq and North Korea are comparable, and that is why the US had no fear in attacking Iraq, but hesitates to attack North Korea.

What technological advantage is China going to gain?
 
How exactly did they provoke Dec 7?

I don't think it was so much as provoking your date, as it was the need to enter the war.

The Japanese found American presence in the Pacific a huge headache. Since the Philippines was important to them, and strategically significant for the Americans (still is), there were bound to be handbags flying.

The Japs thought they could deal a killing death-punch at Pearl Harbour, only to later say they woke a sleeping giant.
 
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Ok firstly, Japan has NO military. After WW2, they were de-militarized, in fact, they rely on American Navy to stop any attacks on their soil.
North Korea "aggression" is a piss in the wind. They are embargoes, sanctioned against, basically the most isolated country in the world, they use nukes as a trump card to get what they want. they KNOW if they attack South Korea, they are *****ed.

As for China attacking Taiwan, that would be highly unlikely; the US made a formal promise to protect Taiwan whenever they are attakced. China would NEVER risk attacking a country that would endanger trade with their biggest partner. China has most of the USA's debt, dollars and treasury bills. :rolleyes: Yeah As if China would risk all that..

Same goes for the USA attacking China, China has them by the balls, but the USA buys everything China makes. They stop that, the USA would have to produce everything themselves, devalue their dollar extensively, rampant inflation and all that jazz.

So yeah. No war.
 
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China already whipped the USA in it first attempt to mess with them 2 years ago with a "economic H-BOMB"

The US tried to implement restriction on imports from China.. China just said if they do that they would dump there US dollar's( china is the biggest holding of usdollars in the world) and the US backed off..
 
Not quite sure this is where I am supposed to put this, but here goes :-)

Who else is seeing a major effing war on the horizon? Is it just me or does it seem like the USA is purposefully attempting to aggravate China into firing the first shots...be it at the US or at Taiwan. It reminds me a lot of the things they did during WW2 before they entered it to aggravate the Japanese into firing the first shots. Or am I reading too deeply into this? lol

Nope evidently you are smoking something nobody else is into

Sanctions.

More specifically an oil embargo
 
I don't think the Chinese are stupid and they should recognise there is no better way to conquer the world than through economic domination. Wars are very expensive and destructive to all parties involved.

They are behaving stupidly by trying to blackmail the USA. “We have you by the financial balls, so do as we say.” There are elements of Chinese culture which I admire but this rivals the ANC government for dumbness. What do they expect? That the USA will cravenly cave “Oh please Mr. Badass China. Mercy!” They are putting the USA in an untenable position and the USA (more power to them) are stepping up to the plate and saying “phuck you.” Go! USA. Go!
 
Can you blame them, was Japan not in alliance with the Nazis and tried to occupy all of Asia?

Nope. It was Japan who decide to attack the U.S instead of reigning in their genocidal imperialism. Of course nowadays the U.S is blamed for everything under the sun so even the Japs are victims :erm:
 
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So after decades of cold war the US is going to enter all out war with a nuclear power? Not just a nuclear power, THE other super power? Neither side has anything to gain from all out war. China would likely win but at great cost. They would destroy the US as a power but also cripple themselves and sink half the world with them. No offense to India but it would suck if they emerged as the worlds preeminent power by default.

And North Korea can't be compared to Iraq because like it or not the Middle-East is pretty much under US control where as China is responsible for keeping the peace in Asia. I can't see China allowing North Korea to start blowing **** up in its neighbourhood.
 
So after decades of cold war the US is going to enter all out war with a nuclear power? Not just a nuclear power, THE other super power? Neither side has anything to gain from all out war. China would likely win but at great cost. They would destroy the US as a power but also cripple themselves and sink half the world with them. No offense to India but it would suck if they emerged as the worlds preeminent power by default.

And North Korea can't be compared to Iraq because like it or not the Middle-East is pretty much under US control where as China is responsible for keeping the peace in Asia. I can't see China allowing North Korea to start blowing **** up in its neighbourhood.

There is only one super power - China isn't close.
 
Not quite sure this is where I am supposed to put this, but here goes :-)

Who else is seeing a major effing war on the horizon? Is it just me or does it seem like the USA is purposefully attempting to aggravate China into firing the first shots...be it at the US or at Taiwan. It reminds me a lot of the things they did during WW2 before they entered it to aggravate the Japanese into firing the first shots. Or am I reading too deeply into this? lol

More anti-american drivel ?
 
They are behaving stupidly by trying to blackmail the USA. “We have you by the financial balls, so do as we say.” There are elements of Chinese culture which I admire but this rivals the ANC government for dumbness. What do they expect? That the USA will cravenly cave “Oh please Mr. Badass China. Mercy!” They are putting the USA in an untenable position and the USA (more power to them) are stepping up to the plate and saying “phuck you.” Go! USA. Go!
It's mere chest pounding. The US obviously cannot simply concede, but they're in no position to take on the Chinese. If South Africa had the military and economic power of China with vast hordes of US Dollars I'd say more power to them if they used that manipulate the US to our benefit.
 
China already whipped the USA in it first attempt to mess with them 2 years ago with a "economic H-BOMB"

The US tried to implement restriction on imports from China.. China just said if they do that they would dump there US dollar's( china is the biggest holding of usdollars in the world) and the US backed off..

ERm no. Why would China suicide? To teach America a lesson? :rolleyes:
 
The Chinese got stressed about the US economy taking a dive in the last recession, since the value of the investments plummeted along with the US economy. The world is a much more integrated place than it was during the cold war. While a lot has been said against globalisation, it has probably made the chances of a war between countries with significant economies much less likely than ever before.
 
No wonder his nic is klasvaakie:p

Actually m8, there were loads the US did to provoke a reaction of Japan. Yes, Japan did fire the first shot, but the US provoked it. For instance the US froze all Japanese assets in the US before they were officially enemies. Furthermore the US supplied the English with war supplies (tanks, weapons etc.) which is by all means an act of supporting Japan's enemies during a conflict. Then the US put an embargo on oil going to Japan, which it needed not only for their military, but for their industry and economy. What most people don't seem to know is that Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was actually a secondary attack, which kept the Americans occupied and their navy in a state that it could not react when Japan seized several strategical locations in the Pacific, some of which had massive oil wells and iron mines that they needed, for their stockpile was dwindling. Lastly, in files that have been declassified it has been proven that the US knew about the imminent attack, but did nothing to warn the fleet or prepare a decent defense. They even removed all their aircraft carriers from the Harbor on the day of the attack, which could have helped defend the Harbor if they had been present...especially seeing as US fighter planes were much better than the Japanese equivalent. If you doubt that the US didn't want to enter WW2, just think of this, the Luftwaffe operated on a specific fuel type that used a patent from Rockefeller Standard Oil. If the US wanted to stop the war, all they had to do was stop the Luftwaffe (Germany's main tactics hinged on the the Luftwaffe, if you want to know more, read up on Blitz Krieg), which seeing as Rockefeller Standard Oil was an American company, would be easy to do. lol, it's even been proven that an American bank help financed BOTH the US and Germany's war effort. If you look at every major conflict that the US has ever entered, it is clear that they entered under false pretenses. WW1, they sent the Lusitania into waters they were certain that German u-boats were systematically sinking every ship they could find. The German Government even issued a warning to the US public that any passage on the Lusitania would mean suicide due to the u-boats patrolling the area it was intending to move through. WW2 I have already covered. Vietnam...the Gulf of Tonka incident never even happened. The US entered that war completely under false pretenses. Even now, the Iraq war...they entered it with supposed evidence of WMD's. Yet the UN had sent representatives and investigators to Iraq prior to the war and found NOTHING. Yet the US still invaded.

Now, what I am saying is that I am seeing things that seem similar happening between the US and China. I have been following their relationship for a long time now. There have been loads of friction the last few years, even going to the extend of China barring US ships from docking in Beijing for several weeks in 2007 if memory serves me well. If you look at the political situation between China and Taiwan, you will see that Taiwan, according to China, is a part of their nation. I mean, the Chinese call Taiwan the Republic of China (this should give you an indication of their feelings to this small country). They have further declared that they will bring Taiwan back into the Chinese government, by force if necessary. The US are now supplying this "rebel" province of China with over $4bn in weapon. Are you starting to see the comparison to the US and Japan incident I was attempting to make? Furthermore, the US seems to be making even further attempts to aggravate China. The meeting with the Dali Lama, the internet criticism, the embargoes they are pressuring China to make on the US's enemies (which would have serious ramifications for the Chinese economy and their relationships with said nations, whom some they are friendly with till today). The relationship between China and the US was so tense at one stage (a good while back), that the then prime minister said that he would willingly lose a third of his people in a war against the US. Back then, that totaled about 1 billion people. There are many other points I could make, but my hands are starting to cramp :P

I apologize if I hadn't made my case clearer earlier, but it was late and I had assumed that other people kept up with current events and knew at least something of international politics and the history of WW2. Furthermore, this is just a theory, and not too serious or I wouldn't have bothered posting here, but would have packed my bags and a tent and entered the most uninhabited place in Africa and waited the mess out :P. I was just trying to see what other people think and I wish to thank the people who actually voiced well thought out opinions that were relevant :-)
Furthermore, a war would probably be the best thing for the US economy right now...a major conflict I mean. As history has proven, war is very profitable to those who know how to generate a profit well. Look at Haliburton, they made a killing off the Iraq war. Also, if there was a major war between the US and China and the US won...then they would effectively erase their debt with the Chinese...and then the Chinese would still manufacture all the US's electronics and other things...after the US rebuilt the country of course :P

Oh, and just another interesting read http://www.news24.com/Content/World.../04-02-2010-05-03/Marines_storm_beach_in_Asia
 
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