The Coming War

[Alan]

Okay firstly learn to use paragraphs, secondly take off the tinfoil hat and thirdly delete conspiraciesrus.com from your bookmarks and find a decent history source.

Further more...

1) Nowhere did you mention the imperialism the Japs were engaged in. Whether there was a war in Europe or not the U.S would have done the same.

2)The Jap swere not at war with the Brits before the Pearl Harbour.

Oh and the Americans never declared war on the Nazis. Hitler declared war on them.

 

[klasvaakie]

@ Alan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_Incident Gulf of tonka incident (which sent the US into the Vietnam conflict)
http://www.rtmark.com/bushhitler.html Bank owned by Prescott Bush (George Bush's Grandad) that helped fund the war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IG_Farben Ig Farben and Standard Oil. IG Farben produced 84% of Germany's Explosives in WW2. Standard Oil was their partner.
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_04.htm Standard oil and the Luftwaffe and another link http://www.mit.edu/~thistle/v13/3/oil.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_Harbor_advance-knowledge_debate advanced knowledge of pearl harbor attack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS_Lusitania German Embassy warns US public not to go on the Lusitania.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/02/02/china.us/index.html US wanting China to impose sanctions on Iran. The part is at the lower end of the article.

I can go ON and ON and ON by pasting links to verify things that I have said, but I don't believe in spoon feeding. There is a whole lot more to history coming out now and also things that never made it to our high school textbooks. I suggest reading them

And another thing, I didn't once state that Hitler didn't declare war on the US...I know he did.

Also, I did not mention the imperialism of the Japanese because it was irrelevant. Their eyes were not on the US, but the Pacific. My point was that the US provoked the attack. I don't see their imperialism as a factor in either proving or disproving this point. If I am wrong, please enlighten me.

Ps. I admit I made a mistake about Ford...I edited it and fixed it...it was Standard Oil.

 

[krycor]

The US go to war with someone that can wipe them out.. lol. China has them by the balls but that's not to say they can do anything about it either. The only thing going to happen now is the US finding out how it is to be on the other end of a veto vote more often as Chinese and US interests clash or there is backlash.

 

[Morgoth]

violent warfare are to old school, economically killing people is the way to go!

 

[CyraxHB]

China would likely win.....

Highly unlikely. China does not have the capability to project their army anywhere and their air power is lacking when compared to that of the US.

Neither country would be stupid enough to launch nukes at each other.

 

[PeterCH]

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Ok firstly, Japan has NO military. After WW2, they were de-militarized, in fact, they rely on American Navy to stop any attacks on their soil.
North Korea "aggression" is a piss in the wind. They are embargoes, sanctioned against, basically the most isolated country in the world, they use nukes as a trump card to get what they want. they KNOW if they attack South Korea, they are *****ed.

As for China attacking Taiwan, that would be highly unlikely; the US made a formal promise to protect Taiwan whenever they are attakced. China would NEVER risk attacking a country that would endanger trade with their biggest partner. China has most of the USA's debt, dollars and treasury bills. Yeah As if China would risk all that..

Same goes for the USA attacking China, China has them by the balls, but the USA buys everything China makes. They stop that, the USA would have to produce everything themselves, devalue their dollar extensively, rampant inflation and all that jazz.

So yeah. No war.

The idea of any of these things occurring is preposterous. The likelihood of war between Russia and China or China and India is much greater. Saying so, I don't think the US would defend Taiwan if there was a massive invasion. I doubt it. They wouldn't risk an all out nuclear war. Lose New York City or Chicago for Taiwan? It won't happen. Similar formal agreements make up NATO and there is some degree of doubt that the US would go into nuclear war over sections of Europe, hence some Central European states want what SK, Japan and Germany has - US troops, the only safeguard against belligerence. If Taiwan has US bases then they are safe - not 100% but possibly 99% - the only safety guarantee Korea and Japan have are the US forces there, because any attack would mean an attack on them and that would be war. If these forces pulled out, no formal guarantee would be worth anything and would depend mostly on whether a Rep or a Dem is in charge in the States. That's why I support Republicans because they helped bring down the Soviet Union and they are the only ones with the steadfast heart to really stand up to the Chinese/Russians.

 

[PeterCH]

Actually m8, there were loads the US did to provoke a reaction of Japan.

It's interesting but the Japanese themselves are divided. Some people think it was a good thing they lost to America and that America did what they did with Germany to Japan. The same people believe that they'd be a Soviet vassal if the Americans hadn't dropped the bombs because Stalin would have invaded Japan. Others won't go that far - more nationalistic - although they side with USA against China and North Korea. Still now Japan is on its way out as an economic super power and so is Germany. China is taking over,
that's not to say that China does not have tons of bad debt and inefficient industries with a huge rich poor disparity gap and an aging population too.

 

[BBSA]

An aging population with not enough young people to support them due to the one child policy.

 

[Alan]

Also, I did not mention the imperialism of the Japanese because it was irrelevant. Their eyes were not on the US, but the Pacific. My point was that the US provoked the attack. I don't see their imperialism as a factor in either proving or disproving this point. If I am wrong, please enlighten me.

How can it be irrelevant when it was the justification used for the sanctions. It's all very clear. Japan needed resorces to fund it's imperialist policies. As a result they invaded China and occupied IndoChina after cutting a deal with Vichy the French Nazi puppets. What did you expect the U.S to do??? Sit back and supply the Japs with the material needed to expand, occupy and commit genocide turning themselves into a world power at the expense of America's allies, who were themselves already taking a beating from another expanding genocidal regime the Nazis. The Americans faced the prospect of having two world power adversities on either coast.

It's absurd to claim the Americans provoked the Japs. No Jap imperialism, no war.

 

[BBSA]

It's absurd to claim the Americans provoked the Japs. No Jap imperialism, no war.

100% correct and even the Japs has acknowledge this hence the their constitution prohibited the use of military force to wage war against other countries.

 

[Tick]

More anti-american drivel ?

Yup *yawn*.