The community vs Tenderpreneur

[RonSwanson]

Look obviously the tenderpreneurs inflated costs and are milking the tenders but that R75000 is not a feasible number if you have to comply with all the regulations.

In that pic alone they have a single cone for road traffic management. Insanely dangerous on a national road. There's even a car approaching them in the distance that has to cross into the next lane. Zero reflective vests also.

Road traffic management requires them to set up multiple signs with flashing lights and have flagmen warning oncoming drivers of the work being done on the blacktop.

Each of the workers has to have done a yearly medical, health and safety training etc.


So yes. Well done to the farmers association, great initiative, but unless the communities are willing to sponsor the projects themselves like this and are willing to take the risk of working on the national road without safety regulations then it's not feasible going forward

National road?

Yeah, safety costs R2 925 000, the poor tenderprenurs are probably paying R350 000 per cone and R85,000 per reflective vest.

 

[Temujin]

National road?

Yeah, safety costs R2 925 000, the poor tenderprenurs are probably paying R350 000 per cone and R85,000 per reflective vest.

I have a connection... can get those cheap cheap at 300k and 75k. PM me your billing address

 

[rh1]

Look obviously the tenderpreneurs inflated costs and are milking the tenders but that R75000 is not a feasible number if you have to comply with all the regulations.

In that pic alone they have a single cone for road traffic management. Insanely dangerous on a national road. There's even a car approaching them in the distance that has to cross into the next lane. Zero reflective vests also.

Road traffic management requires them to set up multiple signs with flashing lights and have flagmen warning oncoming drivers of the work being done on the blacktop.

Each of the workers has to have done a yearly medical, health and safety training etc.


So yes. Well done to the farmers association, great initiative, but unless the communities are willing to sponsor the projects themselves like this and are willing to take the risk of working on the national road without safety regulations then it's not feasible going forward

Point 1:
This is a factor. But how much would the safety training realistically cost, additional 2 x labourers manning both sides of the road. 30 x 1 day training course @ R5000-R10000(just thumbsucking) =R300000. But remember this cannot be for one job as the company should have multiple projects.

So yes from a reasonable estimation - the cost is exorbitant.

We are to scared to call out bad behaviour because we dont want to be seen as racist and we are to quick to defend bad behaviour because of who raises the issues and we have already assigned labels to them.

Until we can honestly and openly criticise these blatant theft of resources and call a spade a spade, this will continue.

Point 2:
I dont think it is BEE/AA that is the problem (the original intent), though it is used by the ANC in a manner it was not designed to do. It is the ANC and their merry band of thieves that is looting and destroying the country.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

In that pic alone they have a single cone for road traffic management. Insanely dangerous on a national road. There's even a car approaching them in the distance that has to cross into the next lane. Zero reflective vests also.

If only that WAS a National Road...but it is obviously not.

Each of the workers has to have done a yearly medical, health and safety training etc.

Sure...have you seen the "flag waver" that always stands next to the roads a few meters away?? On finger in the nose up to third knuckle...the other hand barely moving the flag. Are you telling me that person had medical and safety training??

Pull the other one, please.

 

[Crowley]

Look obviously the tenderpreneurs inflated costs and are milking the tenders but that R75000 is not a feasible number if you have to comply with all the regulations.

In that pic alone they have a single cone for road traffic management. Insanely dangerous on a national road. There's even a car approaching them in the distance that has to cross into the next lane. Zero reflective vests also.

Road traffic management requires them to set up multiple signs with flashing lights and have flagmen warning oncoming drivers of the work being done on the blacktop.

Each of the workers has to have done a yearly medical, health and safety training etc.


So yes. Well done to the farmers association, great initiative, but unless the communities are willing to sponsor the projects themselves like this and are willing to take the risk of working on the national road without safety regulations then it's not feasible going forward

You argue like a "highly qualified and registered medical" member of this forum.

The article is showing how tenderpreneurs are raping the country and you want to complain about road safety not being adhered to.

 

[Suspect99]

If only that WAS a National Road...but it is obviously not.



Sure...have you seen the "flag waver" that always stands next to the roads a few meters away?? On finger in the nose up to third knuckle...the other hand barely moving the flag. Are you telling me that person had medical and safety training??

Pull the other one, please.

It doesn't only apply to national roads. The requirements are higher on national roads.

Heres the requirements for land survey on a low traffic volume single lane road. Its for land surveyors but it should be similar for construction/potholes.

And I've never said that the tenderpreneurs miking the prices are complying with the regulations. They are obviously not. They are probably quoting for all of it but not complying.
My point is unless you expect charity while compromising safety( like in this case) the R75000 price is completely out of whack.

 

[Suspect99]

You argue like a "highly qualified and registered medical" member of this forum.

The article is showing how tenderpreneurs are raping the country and you want to complain about road safety not being adhered to.

Entrepreneurs are raping the country no doubt about it. They are also not adhering to traffic regulations because of their connections no doubt about it.

But this project is a bad counterexample that is not realistically feasible
It will last until the first worker gets knocked down and killed on the road

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

Entrepreneurs are raping the country no doubt about it. They are also not adhering to traffic regulations because of their connections no doubt about it.

But this project is a bad counterexample that is not realistically feasible
It will last until the first worker gets knocked down and killed on the road

What do you mean? They have already done it...

Next time I'm sure they'll budget for more people and 200 more cones to make it safer. On that picture it does NOT look safe at all, that is for sure.

But that small error fades in comparison vs the incompetence and corruption they have battled and had a small victory against. These kinds of actions will soon snowball, where communities help themselves.

But based on the nearly immediate racist undertones in this thread it's obvious that these successes are not appreciated...and we all know why.

 

[TheMightyQuinn]

You argue like a "highly qualified and registered medical" member of this forum.

The article is showing how tenderpreneurs are raping the country and you want to complain about road safety not being adhered to.

Well, when one HAS to find fault when very specific communities help themselves...anything will do.

 

[ToxicBunny]

It doesn't only apply to national roads. The requirements are higher on national roads.

Heres the requirements for land survey on a low traffic volume single lane road. Its for land surveyors but it should be similar for construction/potholes.

And I've never said that the tenderpreneurs miking the prices are complying with the regulations. They are obviously not. They are probably quoting for all of it but not complying.
My point is unless you expect charity while compromising safety( like in this case) the R75000 price is completely out of whack.


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I would 100% agree the 75k is out of whack and probably only covers the material and maybe labour costs to do the pothole repairs.

But it is indicative of just how much the public purse is being ripped off.

 

[Gyre]

But based on the nearly immediate racist undertones in this thread it's obvious that these successes are not appreciated...and we all know why.

Oh good, you notice them too

 

[RonSwanson]

Those who are critical of the farmers' manner of doing things should remember that this is not their full-time job, they are doing it because the potholes pose a danger to the lives of thousands of motorists, passengers and pedestrians, and many of them are sick and tired of having to assist in scraping the remains of people off the roads when they come unstuck.

The farmers are sacrificing their time and their money which actually ought to be ploughed back into their crops and livestock. At least they are doing something about the situation, and the indictment on the cost of the ANC Governments' policies of BEE, AA and transformation and the fact that they can do so far more cost-effectively is a side issue. The farmers ought to be lauded for their sacrifices and good work, which benefits all races.

To the critics I quote Elon Musk: " 手整体插在口袋里的人过分自信 ", translated as " Man with hands in his pockets all day feels overly confident."

 

[RonSwanson]

It doesn't only apply to national roads. The requirements are higher on national roads.

Heres the requirements for land survey on a low traffic volume single lane road. Its for land surveyors but it should be similar for construction/potholes.

And I've never said that the tenderpreneurs miking the prices are complying with the regulations. They are obviously not. They are probably quoting for all of it but not complying.
My point is unless you expect charity while compromising safety( like in this case) the R75000 price is completely out of whack.


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Did you even bother to read the article? Are you capable of that? If so, then you would have read:

The Geluksdam Farmers Association members decided to repair the potholes on the Mangaung Metro Municipality side of the Jagersfontein road. Once they received the necessary permission from the Department of Police Roads and Transport, they set to work. With a team of roughly 50 labourers, 8 bakkies and 3 tractors they embarked on repairing all the potholes in an estimated 30km stretch of road. The project took them 8 days over a period of a month to complete at a cost of roughly R75, 000 including all costs. No financial assistance from the province or any government department. It was repaired according to industry specifications and standards. An estimated 550 potholes were repaired. The Jagersfontein Farmers Association repaired approximately the same distance at the same cost on the Kopanong municipality side of the Jagersfontein road.

 

[Gyre]

Those who are critical of the farmers' manner of doing things should remember that this is not their full-time job, they are doing it because the potholes pose a danger to the lives of thousands of motorists, passengers and pedestrians, and many of them are sick and tired of having to assist in scraping the remains of people off the roads when they come unstuck.

The farmers are sacrificing their time and their money which actually ought to be ploughed back into their crops and livestock. At least they are doing something about the situation, and the indictment on the cost of the ANC Governments' policies of BEE, AA and transformation and the fact that they can do so far more cost-effectively is a side issue. The farmers ought to be lauded for their sacrifices and good work, which benefits all races.

To the critics I quote Elon Musk: " 手整体插在口袋里的人过分自信 ", translated as " Man with hands in his pockets all day feels overly confident."

Who is critical of the farmers? It's incredible work that they're doing and they show how much money is being wasted, and how to do work properly.

In regards to "the boere" doing it, does anyone have a photo of the people doing the actual work in this project?

 

[RonSwanson]

Who is critical of the farmers?

Try to read the thread before commenting, that way you are fully appraised of the situation and can comment without looking silly.

 

[Cius]

Well done to the farmers. I just wish more township voters where likely to actually read this story and understand what it means as the vast majority of our tax money disappears this way.

 

[Suspect99]

Did you even bother to read the article? Are you capable of that? If so, then you would have read:

I've read the article. Anyone can write anything in an article it doesn't make it true.
Working in the road with no safety vest or flagmen is not working to industry specifications and standards.

The quality of the work is no doubt up to standard and the efforts to fight against government incompetence is laudable.
But lets not pretend that its an apples to apples comparison and every project should be completed this way

 

[Gyre]

Try to read the thread before commenting, that way you are fully appraised of the situation and can comment without looking silly.

I read the thread - who is critical of them? maybe it's more obvious to you than me.

 

[RonSwanson]

I've read the article. Anyone can write anything in an article it doesn't make it true.
Working in the road with no safety vest or flagmen is not working to industry specifications and standards.

The quality of the work is no doubt up to standard and the efforts to fight against government incompetence is laudable.
But lets not pretend that its an apples to apples comparison and every project should be completed this way

So be honest: you somehow don't like the narrative, so your intention and agenda is to discredit it, while standing with your hands in your pockets.

 

[Suspect99]

So be honest: you somehow don't like the narrative, so your intention and agenda is to discredit it, while standing with your hands in your pockets.

Thats a story you've concocted in your head. I work in the land survey industry. I've seen people knocked over and killed working without safety equipment. One of my survey assistants walks with a permanent limp because his previous firm skimped on traffic safety.

The route manager will kick my surveyors off the road if I don't have safety boots for a single temporary worker waving a flag. Let alone working without safety vests and signs etc. So the narrative that anyone should walk into the road, play in traffic, and fill in a pothole without caring about traffic safety is bullshit.