The Dagga Couple

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Hi forum,
so here is a couple wanting to re-legalize cannabis in South Africa.

They have a facebook page that you can view here.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/daggacouple

They were featured on 3rd Degree last week. You can view the episode here.
[video=youtube;vmJm7y9CR5Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmJm7y9CR5Q[/video]

Anyways,
what are your thoughts on their plans , and let us discuss what the chances of the 'devil plant' :twisted: ever being legalized or decriminilized here? Would love to hear the opinions on this forum ;)

Peace
 
I don't think it'll happen, as people see it as a "gateway drug" which it obviously is not. If weed is a gateway drug then ciggies is the gateway drug to weed (in most cases).

I actually saw that episode, and to be honest, the arguments against legalization were completely flawed.

I'm all for it though!
 
Never. This country is a conservative, religious, uneducated ****hole with regard to this sort of progressive and rational policy.
 
That fat chick who cant control her food intake made me so angry. Some of her arguments were so fallacious. Ug! She is the type of chick that would ban booze if she could. Some one should tell her the leading cause of death is heart disease..... something she should consider as it looks like she has a sugar addiction.

That was some unfair editing I think on 3rd Degree`s side. The Dagga Couple could have used way better arguments.
 
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Frikkenator said:
If weed is a gateway drug then ciggies is the gateway drug to weed (in most cases).
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What? I know a lot of people that smoke cigarettes but won't touch weed. What does people that drink beer lead to?
 
They have some good arguments:

THE REASONS WE WANT THIS MATTER TO BE HEARD IN THE CONSTITUTIONAL COURT

The South African legal system is sufficiently corrupt that we had the option to pay a large sum of money for our case to “disappear”. After our experience at the hands of the police we are not prepared to just pay our way out of this. Corrupt behaviour will ensure that the police will be breaking down our gate sometime in the future.

We wish to demonstrate the ignorance at all levels of law enforcement when it comes to the prohibition of Dagga.

We will provide evidence that the laws prohibiting the use of Dagga in South Africa have their origins in the racist colonial laws of the early 20th century. These laws are also dictated by international statutes based on propaganda in the United States and have no bearing on our local culture.

The enforcement of the prohibition of Dagga costs the South African taxpayer millions every year. These resources could be utilised in a more efficient manner & the re-legalisation of dagga would pave the way for the development of the hemp (which is also the Dagga plant) industry, which would create jobs in the agriculture, bio fuel, textile, building & medical industries.

Our Human Rights have been violated by a law that is unjust & irrational, not supported by any empirical evidence & outdated. The punishment far outweighs the “crime”. Smoking Dagga is a “victimless crime” and should not be seen as a crime at all.

We reserve the right to smoke Dagga/Cannabis in the privacy of our own property, with whom we wish. We are not harming anybody & no government has the right to treat us, the tax payers, like criminals.

The prohibition of Dagga leads to organised crime. This is fact and is supported by extensive research, both locally & internationally. Because the makers of the law have been informed by propaganda that is blatantly incorrect, organised crime surrounding the growing & marketing of Dagga is a major problem in South Africa.

We reserve the right to self medicate. We are both very healthy individuals and we believe that our daily use of Dagga contributes to our healthy immune systems. Dagga has been used as a medication for thousands of years.

We both contribute in significant ways to the society around us and, far from impairing our abilities, we believe that our use of Dagga contributes to this being so.

We propose that the law prohibiting the use of Dagga in South Africa is based on propaganda and hearsay, based on protecting the industries that benefit from its prohibition and not based on protecting its citizens.

In short, the prohibition of Dagga is unscientific, racist, irrational & wrong.
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http://daggacouple.co.za/
 
ponder said:
What? I know a lot of people that smoke cigarettes but won't touch weed. What does people that drink beer lead to?
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I think you will find with most people who use heroin, their progression would likely have been nicotine, alcohol, weed, etc, etc.

Not because there's anything to the gateway theory, it's just a natural progression, socially.

The point of course being, that the idiots who rant and rave about gateway drugs, have the target all wrong, if we accept the gateway premise, for the sake of argument.
 
What do you think are the constitutional arguments one can use? From what I can see is that there are several.

Possibly:

9. Equality

Everyone is equal before the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law.

Equality includes the full and equal enjoyment of all rights and freedoms. To promote the achievement of equality, legislative and other measures designed to protect or advance persons, or categories of persons, disadvantaged by unfair discrimination may be taken.

The state may not unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone on one or more grounds, including race, gender, sex, pregnancy, marital status, ethnic or social origin, colour, sexual orientation, age, disability, religion, conscience, belief, culture, language and birth.

*1 No person may unfairly discriminate directly or indirectly against anyone on one or more grounds in terms of subsection (3). National legislation must be enacted to prevent or prohibit unfair discrimination.

Discrimination on one or more of the grounds listed in subsection (3) is unfair unless it is established that the discrimination is fair.
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I suppose you could make a case that the right to equality has been infringed. Weed was banned for racist reasons and on intentionally bad "science". So the people who use it for religious reasons, to treat a disability or for their own concious are unfairly discriminated against based on racism and bad "science". Especially when you consider that more harmful substances are legally allowed. :D

That lawyer was right on the show. They need to show exactly which constitutional right the law is breaking. What do you think their best bets are? :D
 
copacetic said:
I think you will find with most people who use heroin, their progression would likely have been nicotine, alcohol, weed, etc, etc.

Not because there's anything to the gateway theory, it's just a natural progression, socially.

The point of course being, that the idiots who rant and rave about gateway drugs, have the target all wrong, if we accept the gateway premise, for the sake of argument.
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People with addiction disorder will take anything. I know many social drug users that managed to quit a lot of the harder drugs by reducing their addiction issues to just marijuana. One of the least harmful of the lot.
 
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copacetic said:
I think you will find with most people who use heroin, their progression would likely have been nicotine, alcohol, weed, etc, etc.
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I also know plenty of people that smoke weed but don't drink or smoke ciggies.
 
In short, the prohibition of Dagga is unscientific, racist, irrational & wrong.
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That's generally applicable to illegal drugs.

Freaksta said:
Never ever going to happen..... Good luck to them though!
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Never is a very long time. Didn't they once say women will never get the vote?
 
http://www.devnull.za.org/cannacourt.pdf



I contacted the couple and asked them what their constitutional arguments were, as that 3rd degree episode did not seem to cover their arguments. So they sent me this pdf. Its a brilliant piece of work. Gz to them. I think they actually stand a chance.
 
ghoti said:
http://www.devnull.za.org/cannacourt.pdf



I contacted the couple and asked them what their constitutional arguments were, as that 3rd degree episode did not seem to cover their arguments. So they sent me this pdf. Its a brilliant piece of work. Gz to them. I think they actually stand a chance.
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A scan of the PDF appears to show they have their heads screwed on straight.

They have my support, that's for sure.

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Why they didn't call themselves The Cannabis Couple is quite beyond me. :confused:
 
The problem is that dagga is a gateway drug especially for young people who cannot control intake. As a result I am against legalization but I don't think going to jail for dagga possession is the answer.

Do community service for convictions.
 
[video=youtube;RGZQ765FNWI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RGZQ765FNWI[/video]
 
Apache said:
The problem is that dagga is a gateway drug especially for young people who cannot control intake. As a result I am against legalization but I don't think going to jail for dagga possession is the answer.

Do community service for convictions.
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Well I am convinced. Dagga is a good thing.
 
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