The Dagga Couple

[Sherbang]

And people should be free to make their own meth, as long as they do not sell it.

As for the controlling part.... I have no idea

If you think dagga and tik have anything in common, aside from both being prohibited, you need to educate yourself.


The way I see it is you have 4 tiers:
1) Any adult (18+) should be allowed to grow 2 plants without a license. This would be enough for personal use.
2) Any adult who wishes to grow more than 2 plants requires a license and can only sell/distribute to licensed 'coffee shops' or head shops, but cannot sell directly to the public.
3) Smoking in public is prohibited. Smoking can only take place at a private residence or a public place which is licensed for selling to public, such as a 'coffee' shop or restaurant - much like alcohol. Can only be sold to adults 18+
4) Any adult who wishes to farm hemp can apply for a hemp license, such farms would be monitored and hemp strains would be collectively studied and genetically bred to produce superior strains of high fibre/oil/seed crops (depending on what industry you're farming for).

 

[w1z4rd]

If the Dagga couple get this right... Ive already told my family that I intend putting up a plantation asap on one of the family farms. With a backpackers in the middle of it Imagine tourists been able to wake up to this:

This picture is a pot field in the transkei

 

[Devill]

Bet you can find a link between psychosis and any substance really. Booze is infinity worse. It makes people very violent.

Did you read the legal arguments they are putting forward as per the link I posted?

Nope, have not had a chance. I do have a job....that I sometimes do

Will give it a read as I saw it is 31 pages.

Are you insane? Meth labs are volatile and highly dangerous. As opposed to a plant that just sits in your garden, and harms absolutely no one?

Ok let us say I can produce it safely. Why should people be able to use cannabis but not meth? Where do you draw the line?

Then it's a pointless idea. We need practical solutions to the real problems that drugs can cause within a society, and criminalization has shown with crystal clarity around the world, that it is decidedly bad at solving these issues.

Not even first world countries get it right to regulate meds, alcohol and siggies properly. In SA we are not going to pull it off.

Or do you have some workable ideas?

If you think dagga and tik have anything in common, aside from both being prohibited, you need to educate yourself.

Please tell me where do you draw the line? At booze? At nicotine? At cocaine? Shrooms?

Why the one and not the other?

Ps I like the Hemp idea a lot

 

[Positively Negative]

some amazingly awesome posts made in this thread! cheers guys.

some of you should stop bantering back and forth and climb aboard the movement! Us stoners could use your intelligence! haha.

Well in all honesty I see it being stomped out pretty quick,but I am just GLAD for once, someone has taken a bigger step up than anyone else. Ppl love ranting and raving from the safety of their homes and friends. Do they ever actually make a difference? NO!

I think if decriminilisation could be succesful, It would still be a victory of sorts. Anyways,no matter what happens,ppl will and will ALWAYS want to get high. It's just a fact of human nature.

 

[copacetic]

Ok let us say I can produce it safely. Why should people be able to use cannabis but not meth? Where do you draw the line?

I don't, I was simply responding to your notion that people should be allowed to manufacture meth at home, which is utterly ludicrous.

Should people be 'allowed' to use meth? Of course. We can't stop them, and punishing them only places more of a burden on society, so what's the point of trying?

Not even first world countries get it right to regulate meds, alcohol and siggies properly. In SA we are not going to pull it off.

Or do you have some workable ideas?

In a nutshell, harm reduction.

Any country has limited resources to fight societal issues. Wasting these resources on people who choose to take drugs, and burdening the criminal system with their presence, only creates bigger issues down the line, as demonstrated quite clearly around the world, for many decades now.

Plus, the basic mind boggling fact that we think we can tell other people what to put in their bodies or not, it's utterly outrageous.

 

[Devill]

I don't, I was simply responding to your notion that people should be allowed to manufacture meth at home, which is utterly ludicrous.

Should people be 'allowed' to use meth? Of course. We can't stop them, and punishing them only places more of a burden on society, so what's the point of trying?

Yes, the hospitals will not fill up with more cases of "dead brain" injuries, or place even more pressure on the limited amount of tax payers in SA. Sorry but you can not just let people fsck themselves up and let the state cover it.

Another problem is how are we going to handel drug addicts having children. Should we leave the children with the junkies? If not where will we get the resources to decide if a couple / parent is fit to look after his / her kid(s)?

In a nutshell, harm reduction.

Any country has limited resources to fight societal issues. Wasting these resources on people who choose to take drugs, and burdening the criminal system with their presence, only creates bigger issues down the line, as demonstrated quite clearly around the world, for many decades now.

Plus, the basic mind boggling fact that we think we can tell other people what to put in their bodies or not, it's utterly outrageous.

Interesting idea. Do you have any hard figures on the "harm reduction" effects? (not saying I do not believe it can't work, I would just like some figures).

The problem with not telling people what to do is that again where do we draw the line?
Why then should we tell people what speed to drive, where to build their houses, what a sane state of mind is etc etc.

 

[noxibox]

Yes, the hospitals will not fill up with more cases of "dead brain" injuries, or place even more pressure on the limited amount of tax payers in SA. Sorry but you can not just let people fsck themselves up and let the state cover it.

We cover it anyway. In addition for our trouble we get no tax money from the trade and we have to pay police officers to waste their time chasing illegal drug users and dealers. Then more money has to be spent prosecuting and imprisoning people. And we don't even bother to differentiate between troublemakers and those simply having a good time, not hurting anyone.

Methamphetamine is a good example of a drug that is completely impossible to stamp out. It can be made easily and cheaply pretty much anywhere. There's almost no need to even transport it because it can be made close to the intended point of sale. The law has no real impact on supply.

Another problem is how are we going to handel drug addicts having children. Should we leave the children with the junkies? If not where will we get the resources to decide if a couple / parent is fit to look after his / her kid(s)?

Rules regarding children are already in place.

The problem with not telling people what to do is that again where do we draw the line?
Why then should we tell people what speed to drive, where to build their houses, what a sane state of mind is etc etc.

Pretty straightforward really. Not sure why this straw man keeps coming up.

 

[noxibox]

Problem in my opinion is the link between cannabis and psychosis.

Research reviews have found that any link is tenuous at best. Quality cannabis is widely and readily available. Being legal is not going to make any real difference there.

 

[Devill]

We cover it anyway. In addition for our trouble we get no tax money from the trade and we have to pay police officers to waste their time chasing illegal drug users and dealers. Then more money has to be spent prosecuting and imprisoning people. And we don't even bother to differentiate between troublemakers and those simply having a good time, not hurting anyone.

I agree to some extent. I do however think that more people will start using and thus more on the health - bill that is already stretched thin.

Maybe with the money we save from policing we could fund some crack head's hospital bed for the night

Methamphetamine is a good example of a drug that is completely impossible to stamp out. It can be made easily and cheaply pretty much anywhere. There's almost no need to even transport it because it can be made close to the intended point of sale. The law has no real impact on supply.

Rules regarding children are already in place.

Yes, and if Meth is legal that means that the Meth head couple could legally hold onto their child. No more: "Your honour we would like to take the child into protective custody because her parent(s) is /are meth heads".

Would you leave a kid with a couple doing meth?

Pretty straightforward really. Not sure why this straw man keeps coming up.

Please explain it to me as I do not know the "straw man" you are refering to.

Where would you draw the line? What can people decide for themselves and what can they not, if it is that simple I am sure you must have a rule of thumb

 

[Devill]

Research reviews have found that any link is tenuous at best. Quality cannabis is widely and readily available. Being legal is not going to make any real difference there.

Sorry not that I do not believe you but could you post a link to the refered to reseach?

 

[copacetic]

@ Devill, this is a discussion I am tired of having, it's nothing personal.

Here are the majority of my thoughts on the matter:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/263046-Drugs-and-prohibition?highlight=

 

[AstroTurf]

Why don't you go and ask some "honest" druggies what route they took to addiction.

Chlorophorm actually.
Learned it on tv.

Guess we should ban tv then as that is the true gateway to all addictions.

 

[Devill]

@ Devill, this is a discussion I am tired of having, it's nothing personal.

Here are the majority of my thoughts on the matter:

http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php/263046-Drugs-and-prohibition?highlight=

Very good post.

And I agree, as I said, I am for the legalisation of cannabis.

I am also for the legalisation of all drugs (this I have not mentioned), I was merely stating the problems I still had as to make it "better".

As Nick333 said in your other thread (the link you posted), people who want to use drugs will use drugs.

 

[KarooKlonkie]

"Dagga Couple" on high as bid to legalise dagga finally gets day in court

10 January 2017, 10:04am

Zelda Venter

Pretoria – The legal bid by South Africa’s so-called dagga couple – Myrtle Clarke and Julian Stobbs – to have dagga legalised in the country, will finally kick off at the end of July after a battle of more than six years.

The couple have been trying for six years to get all documents and expert evidence in order. But yesterday Clarke told the Pretoria News that the “trial of the plant” was ready to go ahead after Gauteng High Court, Pretoria, Deputy Judge President Aubrey Ledwaba stepped in.

Judge Ledwaba set down time frames for the submission of the various documents filed in their application.

The pungent green plant, said to have many medicinal benefits, will be the focus of the court’s attention for 19 days, as the case had been set down until August 25.

Read More Here

 

[bokdrol]

I am all for it. Don' t use it myself, but I understand it has amazing medicinal benefits. Loads of people are addicted to tranquillisers, not only legal, but prescribed to them by doctors. Nobody bats an eyelid.

 

[Lament]

I am all for it. Don' t use it myself, but I understand it has amazing medicinal benefits. Loads of people are addicted to tranquillisers, not only legal, but prescribed to them by doctors. Nobody bats an eyelid.

+1
Unfortunately a lot of people are ignorant regarding the subject.

 

[pinball wizard]

I am all for it. Don' t use it myself, but I understand it has amazing medicinal benefits. Loads of people are addicted to tranquillisers, not only legal, but prescribed to them by doctors. Nobody bats an eyelid.

My wife's step father uses it for his diabetes. Claims it helps. I dunno.