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The Elections Thread - 7 May 2014
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It's like looking at a bunch of vrot apples and trying to pick one which has the least worms
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
Are you serious?
The lady at one point announced her willingness to stand as the presidential candidate for another party and then backtracked a few days later.
You don't think that indicates a bit of a problem in making wise choices? :wtf:
R13...
Honorary Master
Her flip-flopping episode during the abortive DA-Agang merger. I listened to her interview with Xolani Gwala right after the kiss, and she was evasive when asked to explain how she managed to arrive at this decision without any of her party structures being aware of it. When asked to answer the allegations that there are no actual leadership structures in Agang she went on a rant about the ANC. When an alleged Agang supporter/ANC leader called in to the show she accused him of being an EFF plant.
That interview and the subsequent cancellation of the "marriage" made by decision for me. She does not know what she is doing. She works better as a critic of current authority than a leader. Mind you I know some of the good work she in Lenyenye, Tzaneen when she was exiled there by the apartheid regime. In fact, the clinics and child care centres she set up there still endure. The things she did there saved the lives of a lot of kids from being victims of infant mortality and sometimes saving their mothers too. Her centre taught women basic nutrition and encouraged them to bring their children for childhood immunisation at a time when lots of people didn't trust the government.
It indicates that she takes her party members seriously. Yes, she made a mistake accepting the DA's request for her to be their presidential candidate but when her party members did not approve she swallowed her pride and put them first.
Surely someone who listens to her constituents is a good thing?
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
COPE IS COPING, SAYS COPE
The Congress of the People remains strong despite 19 prominent people leaving the party, Cope leader Mosiuoa Lekota said on Wednesday.
"Cope will be stronger than it was in the last elections. Those who have left allege that they left because the party policy has changed", Lekota told journalists at a briefing in Kempton Park, Johannesburg.
Some of the 19 who left for the African National Congress had defrauded Cope.
"Some of them have not accounted for the misused funds in a number of provinces," Lekota said.
A forensic audit would be conducted and some of the 19 could face criminal charges.
"They think they can just walk away after leaving Cope, they would face criminal charges in different courts in the country," said Lekota.
On Monday Cope national spokesman Johann Abrie said most of the 19 were "unemployable outside politics".
"Most of the people on the list of 19 are unemployable outside of politics so they decided to knock on the door of another political party because they came to the end of their employment at Cope," said Abrie.
"They were very, very happy to collect huge salaries based on their association to Cope and waited until the last week to change... that speaks volumes about the character of those people."
Abrie was responding to a media release on Monday by the 19 throwing their weight behind the ANC.
The list of names on the statement are Suzan Berend, Onel de Beer, Beryl Ferguson, Nonkhululeko Gcume, Juli Kilian, Nick Koornhof, Mampe Kotsi, Commissioner Makhubela, Lorraine Mashiane, Pakiso Mbhele, Paul Mnguni, Zola Mlenzana, Connie Mosimane, Hilda Ndude, Mlindi Nhanha, Phumelelo Ntshiqela, Sanna Plaatjies, Leonard Ramatlakane and Kennett Sinclair.
Source : Sapa /ge/jk/lp
Date : 30 Apr 2014 12:50
The Congress of the People remains strong despite 19 prominent people leaving the party, Cope leader Mosiuoa Lekota said on Wednesday.
"Cope will be stronger than it was in the last elections. Those who have left allege that they left because the party policy has changed", Lekota told journalists at a briefing in Kempton Park, Johannesburg.
Some of the 19 who left for the African National Congress had defrauded Cope.
"Some of them have not accounted for the misused funds in a number of provinces," Lekota said.
A forensic audit would be conducted and some of the 19 could face criminal charges.
"They think they can just walk away after leaving Cope, they would face criminal charges in different courts in the country," said Lekota.
On Monday Cope national spokesman Johann Abrie said most of the 19 were "unemployable outside politics".
"Most of the people on the list of 19 are unemployable outside of politics so they decided to knock on the door of another political party because they came to the end of their employment at Cope," said Abrie.
"They were very, very happy to collect huge salaries based on their association to Cope and waited until the last week to change... that speaks volumes about the character of those people."
Abrie was responding to a media release on Monday by the 19 throwing their weight behind the ANC.
The list of names on the statement are Suzan Berend, Onel de Beer, Beryl Ferguson, Nonkhululeko Gcume, Juli Kilian, Nick Koornhof, Mampe Kotsi, Commissioner Makhubela, Lorraine Mashiane, Pakiso Mbhele, Paul Mnguni, Zola Mlenzana, Connie Mosimane, Hilda Ndude, Mlindi Nhanha, Phumelelo Ntshiqela, Sanna Plaatjies, Leonard Ramatlakane and Kennett Sinclair.
Source : Sapa /ge/jk/lp
Date : 30 Apr 2014 12:50
I agree she shouldn't have made that decision without consulting her party first, but it was a mistake. I don't believe there is a politician alive who doesn't make mistakes. When her party made it clear they were not happy with her decision she listened to them and backed out of it. I see that as a positive thing.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
She should have consulted with them first. That is one of the first and foremost duties of a politician... and she can't even get that basic one right.
I agree with that but I think she learnt her lesson and she is still the one woman who the DA described as the best person for the job of president.
R13...
Honorary Master
Apparently she is something of a dictator. But yes she is the type of person who would make the hard decisions for her country instead of her party like how the ANC presidents put their party first and the country second. I suppose even Zille would make a better president for that very reason.
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
DA ACCUSES ANC FSTATE OF BUYING VOTES
The DA in the Free State on Wednesday accused premier Ace Magashule of buying votes for the ANC through distributing title deeds.
"Magashule reportedly encouraged beneficiaries to vote for the ANC while title deeds were distributed," Democratic Alliance Free State premier candidate Patricia Kopane said in a statement.
"In no uncertain terms, this is another indication that the ANC is desperate to secure votes barely a week before the national and provincial elections."
She said more than 5000 families in the province had been waiting for title deeds to their homes for almost five years.
About 1000 title deeds were given to housing beneficiaries in Rocklands, Mangaung, on Tuesday.
The African National Congress in the province has denied that it needs to buy votes.
"The programme of issuing out the title deeds was a programme between the Mangaung metro municipality in conjunction with provincial government," spokesman Thabo Meeko said.
"Our view as the ANC is that whether it is elections or not service delivery to people must not stop."
He said opposition parties, like the DA, should not be threatened by service delivery.
"It shows they don't have the best interest of people at heart."
Kopane said the DA would ask the Public Protector to add this incident to her probe into the misconduct of government officials and the abuse of state resources for the ANC's election campaign.
Last week, Public Protector Thuli Madonsela's office said it had received three complaints against the ANC allegedly using state resources for its election -- one from the DA and two from Agang SA.
Spokesman Oupa Segalwe said at the time Madonsela was probing whether there were grounds to launch a full investigation.
Source : Sapa /gq/jk/lp/jje
Date : 30 Apr 2014 13:22
The DA in the Free State on Wednesday accused premier Ace Magashule of buying votes for the ANC through distributing title deeds.
"Magashule reportedly encouraged beneficiaries to vote for the ANC while title deeds were distributed," Democratic Alliance Free State premier candidate Patricia Kopane said in a statement.
"In no uncertain terms, this is another indication that the ANC is desperate to secure votes barely a week before the national and provincial elections."
She said more than 5000 families in the province had been waiting for title deeds to their homes for almost five years.
About 1000 title deeds were given to housing beneficiaries in Rocklands, Mangaung, on Tuesday.
The African National Congress in the province has denied that it needs to buy votes.
"The programme of issuing out the title deeds was a programme between the Mangaung metro municipality in conjunction with provincial government," spokesman Thabo Meeko said.
"Our view as the ANC is that whether it is elections or not service delivery to people must not stop."
He said opposition parties, like the DA, should not be threatened by service delivery.
"It shows they don't have the best interest of people at heart."
Kopane said the DA would ask the Public Protector to add this incident to her probe into the misconduct of government officials and the abuse of state resources for the ANC's election campaign.
Last week, Public Protector Thuli Madonsela's office said it had received three complaints against the ANC allegedly using state resources for its election -- one from the DA and two from Agang SA.
Spokesman Oupa Segalwe said at the time Madonsela was probing whether there were grounds to launch a full investigation.
Source : Sapa /gq/jk/lp/jje
Date : 30 Apr 2014 13:22
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
Wow my brother cant vote in London because his name wasnt on the list even though he registered. Hmm...
LazyLion
King of de Jungle
OPPOSING THE ANC 'AN ACT OF LOVE': KASRILS
Voting against the ANC in next week's general elections was the best way to support the party's founding principles, former intelligence minister Ronnie Kasrils said on Wednesday.
"What is more important than [the African National Congress] is the ideas of the party. If the party forgets those ideas, we will stand against the party," Kasrils said in Johannesburg.
He and former deputy health minister Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge are leading the "Sidikiwe! Vukani! Vote No! Campaign".
The campaign is aimed at convincing struggle activists and others not to vote for the ANC, but rather to vote for a small political party -- not the Democratic Alliance -- or at least spoil their votes by writing "no" on the ballot paper.
They say this tactical voting would help deepen democracy through diminishing the ruling party's majority.
Kasrils said ordinary people were suffering while taxpayers' money was spent on upgrades to President Jacob Zuma's private Nkandla homestead in KwaZulu-Natal and travel arrangements for the Gupta family.
Under apartheid, struggle veterans never believed that a democratic government would shoot protesters, such as Andries Tatane in Ficksburg or the striking miners at Marikana in August 2012.
"We cannot stand idly by when we see these crimes of corruption and murder," Kasrils said.
The campaign was aimed at the unemployed, workers who had difficulty making ends meet, youth who wanted a better life, activists, taxpayers, and citizens who demanded clean, accountable governance.
It was a reaction against corruption, the lavish lifestyles of the ruling elite, and perceived threats to constitutional democracy.
"Those who consider themselves ANC supporters but... wish to jolt the organisation to mend its ways should be regarded as saying 'support the ANC by voting for the opposition' -- but not the DA."
According to the campaign, about 12.7 million eligible voters failed to vote in the 2009 election.
"This means the ANC in 2009 increased its majority and parliamentary seats to 66 percent (down from 63 percent in 1994), when in fact their share of all eligible votes decreased to 39 percent (down from 54 percent in 1994)."
Kasrils said he believed Chris Hani would support the Vote No campaign to support the ideals of the ANC.
"There is no way Chris Hani... Would be silent in South Africa today.
"We believe the ANC needs to be given a big shock. Opposing the ANC is an act of love.
"Instead of hiding the secrets... real love is to be able to be critical and say 'Put the house in order'," Kasrils said.
Responding to criticism of the campaign from within the ANC, he said these attacks did not deal with the substance of the campaign's beliefs.
"They are defending the indefensible," he said.
Source : Sapa /mjs/jk/jje/lp
Date : 30 Apr 2014 13:37
Voting against the ANC in next week's general elections was the best way to support the party's founding principles, former intelligence minister Ronnie Kasrils said on Wednesday.
"What is more important than [the African National Congress] is the ideas of the party. If the party forgets those ideas, we will stand against the party," Kasrils said in Johannesburg.
He and former deputy health minister Nozizwe Madlala-Routledge are leading the "Sidikiwe! Vukani! Vote No! Campaign".
The campaign is aimed at convincing struggle activists and others not to vote for the ANC, but rather to vote for a small political party -- not the Democratic Alliance -- or at least spoil their votes by writing "no" on the ballot paper.
They say this tactical voting would help deepen democracy through diminishing the ruling party's majority.
Kasrils said ordinary people were suffering while taxpayers' money was spent on upgrades to President Jacob Zuma's private Nkandla homestead in KwaZulu-Natal and travel arrangements for the Gupta family.
Under apartheid, struggle veterans never believed that a democratic government would shoot protesters, such as Andries Tatane in Ficksburg or the striking miners at Marikana in August 2012.
"We cannot stand idly by when we see these crimes of corruption and murder," Kasrils said.
The campaign was aimed at the unemployed, workers who had difficulty making ends meet, youth who wanted a better life, activists, taxpayers, and citizens who demanded clean, accountable governance.
It was a reaction against corruption, the lavish lifestyles of the ruling elite, and perceived threats to constitutional democracy.
"Those who consider themselves ANC supporters but... wish to jolt the organisation to mend its ways should be regarded as saying 'support the ANC by voting for the opposition' -- but not the DA."
According to the campaign, about 12.7 million eligible voters failed to vote in the 2009 election.
"This means the ANC in 2009 increased its majority and parliamentary seats to 66 percent (down from 63 percent in 1994), when in fact their share of all eligible votes decreased to 39 percent (down from 54 percent in 1994)."
Kasrils said he believed Chris Hani would support the Vote No campaign to support the ideals of the ANC.
"There is no way Chris Hani... Would be silent in South Africa today.
"We believe the ANC needs to be given a big shock. Opposing the ANC is an act of love.
"Instead of hiding the secrets... real love is to be able to be critical and say 'Put the house in order'," Kasrils said.
Responding to criticism of the campaign from within the ANC, he said these attacks did not deal with the substance of the campaign's beliefs.
"They are defending the indefensible," he said.
Source : Sapa /mjs/jk/jje/lp
Date : 30 Apr 2014 13:37
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
lol.
He should complain to the IEC.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
The sheer randomness of Paul O'Sullivan running for Parliament.
And the aforementioned tendency to look for any possibly reason not to vote DA, while being convinced by the flimsiest and tiniest reasons to vote for another party. Double standards.
OrbitalDawn
Ulysses Everett McGill
Do they have political party representatives around there that can take up the issue?
Vox Populi Vox Dei
High Tory
I told him he must stay there and not leave. He has got his proof of registration.
Good, are there any party representatives present?