The F-35 thread

[buka001]

The US doesn’t rely on a single airbase for tanker operations. It would take a massive nuclear strike to cause the sort of damage to make that scenario possible.

Yip agreed, hence why I felt it was unrealistic.

 

[buka001]

That applies to most military forces..

Its also why the US Military has by and large decentralised their logistics function...

Yes. They have bases all over the world to operate from that will serve quite effectively as a contingency for scenarios like this.

 

[Jet-Fighter7700]

its not crazy until it happens for the first time.

all it takes is like a few posters mentioned above, a small failure and we have multi billion dollar air bases reduced to rubble, and multi billion dollar war machines turned to scrap.

for all the might of the us military, its the small flea that can drive a big dog crazy.

hence why I say something small like a terrorist with some grenades or even a little cessna or even a small drone,
could cause havoc with such hi-tech weapons.

so yes, I agree, every precaution is taken, but still all it takes is one, and we have a new al queda growing in its power.

also, compared to the russians, the US jets are very vulnerable to FOD (foreign object debris)
all it takes is some bolt to wreck this marvel of technology.

who says the terrorists dont know this? and who says they cant exploit this, ie, try pop a tire as its taxing, and throw a grenade at it

 

[ToxicBunny]

its not crazy until it happens for the first time.

all it takes is like a few posters mentioned above, a small failure and we have multi billion dollar air bases reduced to rubble, and multi billion dollar war machines turned to scrap.

for all the might of the us military, its the small flea that can drive a big dog crazy.

hence why I say something small like a terrorist with some grenades or even a little cessna or even a small drone,
could cause havoc with such hi-tech weapons.

so yes, I agree, every precaution is taken, but still all it takes is one, and we have a new al queda growing in its power.

also, compared to the russians, the US jets are very vulnerable to FOD (foreign object debris)
all it takes is some bolt to wreck this marvel of technology.

who says the terrorists dont know this? and who says they cant exploit this, ie, try pop a tire as its taxing, and throw a grenade at it

Dude.... it is crazy, period.

There are Al Qaeda's popping up ALL the time, and they get dealt with.

You seem to think its childsplay to get anywhere near the runway of a military base.... its not.

 

[Arthur]

its not crazy until it happens for the first time.

all it takes is like a few posters mentioned above, a small failure and we have multi billion dollar air bases reduced to rubble, and multi billion dollar war machines turned to scrap.

for all the might of the us military, its the small flea that can drive a big dog crazy.

hence why I say something small like a terrorist with some grenades or even a little cessna or even a small drone,
could cause havoc with such hi-tech weapons.

so yes, I agree, every precaution is taken, but still all it takes is one, and we have a new al queda growing in its power.

also, compared to the russians, the US jets are very vulnerable to FOD (foreign object debris)
all it takes is some bolt to wreck this marvel of technology.

who says the terrorists dont know this? and who says they cant exploit this, ie, try pop a tire as its taxing, and throw a grenade at it

And then what?

That's just a battle.

Nothing on earth matches the US's ability to produce. And produce. And produce. And produce.

And don't for a moment think that sort of an attack would break the US resolve to fight back. When their own are under attack, they're relentless and fanatical, as Victor Davis Hanson, military historian, often writes.

 

[Dave]

its not crazy until it happens for the first time.

all it takes is like a few posters mentioned above, a small failure and we have multi billion dollar air bases reduced to rubble, and multi billion dollar war machines turned to scrap.

for all the might of the us military, its the small flea that can drive a big dog crazy.

hence why I say something small like a terrorist with some grenades or even a little cessna or even a small drone,
could cause havoc with such hi-tech weapons.

It’s about as crazy as a lot of your theories.

If it was so easy to do why hasn’t it happened?

also, compared to the russians, the US jets are very vulnerable to FOD (foreign object debris)
all it takes is some bolt to wreck this marvel of technology.

who says the terrorists dont know this? and who says they cant exploit this, ie, try pop a tire as its taxing, and throw a grenade at it

And there you go again, down another rabbit hole...


Seriously, go do some research before posting crap like you’ve been doing in this thread. It doesn’t make you look very clever.

 

[buka001]

It’s about as crazy as a lot of your theories.

If it was so easy to do why hasn’t it happened?



And there you go again, down another rabbit hole...


Seriously, go do some research before posting crap like you’ve been doing in this thread. It doesn’t make you look very clever.

To be fair to him, this has happened before -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2012_raid_on_Camp_Bastion

Taliban attack on the Airbase resulted in 8 USMC Harrier Jets being damaged/destroyed.

But as you can see that within 36 hours they had replacement aircraft on station.

Also happened in Vietnam a few times -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Camp_Holloway

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viet_Cong_attack_on_Tan_Son_Nhut_Air_Base_(1966)

So risk exists, but it is not as pronounced and it is most definitely not the doomsday scenario as he makes it out to be.

Biggest risk to airbases are cruise missile or ballistic missile strikes or straight out air attacks.

 

[Dave]

To be fair to him, this has happened before -

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2012_raid_on_Camp_Bastion

Taliban attack on the Airbase resulted in 8 USMC Harrier Jets being damaged/destroyed.

Not a CONUS base though, which is what his weird theory suggests is going to happen, the F35’s he claims could be destroyed by a man with a piece of FOD are on the runway at Hill AFB in Utah.

Biggest risk to airbases are cruise missile or ballistic missile strikes or straight out air attacks.

I think the chances of an actual air attack by a foreign force on an airbase in the CONUS (especially somewhere like Utah) are about as unlikely as egy saying something sensible

 

[buka001]

Not a CONUS base though, which is what his weird theory suggests is going to happen, the F35’s he claims could be destroyed by a man with a piece of FOD are on the runway at Hill AFB in Utah.




I think the chances of an actual air attack by a foreign force on an airbase in the CONUS (especially somewhere like Utah) are about as unlikely as egy saying something sensible

Yeah I realise now he was talking CONUS, which is more ridiculous.

I was more in the frame of say a European base in a European theatre of war ops.

CONUS pretty much only an ICBM and well yeah that wont go down well.

 

[Dave]

Japanese Navy Self Defence Force getting back into the carrier business officially with a buy of 40 F-35B’s for their large “ helicopter destroyers”, JS Izumo and JS Kaga,

The Japanese government has decided to procure the F35B short take-off and vertical-landing (STOVL) stealth fighter aircraft as part of the new defense plan to be outlined next month. This information was reported by Japanese media Nippon News Network (NNN).

The carrier-borne aircraft would be procured to be deployed from the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force(JMSDF) two Izumo-class helicopter destroyers, JS Izumo and JS Kaga. The two vessels, the largest in the JMSDF fleet with a displacement of 27,000 tons (full load) and a length of 248 meters would be modified in order to accommodate the aircraft.

https://www.navyrecognition.com/ind...r-jmsdf-izumo-class-helicopter-destroyer.html


If you’re Japanese, this is a destroyer

 

[MirageF1]

^^ sexy looking "ship" , who built these? homegrown?

 

[Dave]

^^ sexy looking "ship" , who built these? homegrown?

Yes, both ships built in Japan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JS_Izumo

 

[MirageF1]

Yes, both ships built in Japan.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JS_Izumo

Thanks, installing catapult system would theoretically allow STOVL aircraft like F-35B to operate from her decks.
Will the US sell them to Japan? Not sure Doubt it...

 

[Dave]

Thanks, installing catapult system would theoretically allow STOVL aircraft like F-35B to operate from her decks.
Will the US sell them to Japan? Not sure Doubt it...

No cats needed, the B is already in use with a ramp on the HMS Queen Elizabeth or even in a similar configuration on the USMC ships like USS America.

Having said that, if the US is prepared to sell Japan F35’s I don’t see any reason they wouldn’t sell catapult systems to the JSDF.

 

[MirageF1]

Having said that, if the US is prepared to sell Japan F35’s I don’t see any reason they wouldn’t sell catapult systems to the JSDF.

Firstly Japan dont have the B, secondly and more importantly US is highly unlikely to give Japan the capability to extend their firepower beyond reasonable territorial limits,e.g on carriers.... for obvious historical reasons.

 

[Unhappy1]

its not crazy until it happens for the first time.

all it takes is like a few posters mentioned above, a small failure and we have multi billion dollar air bases reduced to rubble, and multi billion dollar war machines turned to scrap.

for all the might of the us military, its the small flea that can drive a big dog crazy.

hence why I say something small like a terrorist with some grenades or even a little cessna or even a small drone,
could cause havoc with such hi-tech weapons.

so yes, I agree, every precaution is taken, but still all it takes is one, and we have a new al queda growing in its power.

also, compared to the russians, the US jets are very vulnerable to FOD (foreign object debris)
all it takes is some bolt to wreck this marvel of technology.

who says the terrorists dont know this? and who says they cant exploit this, ie, try pop a tire as its taxing, and throw a grenade at it

Lol, the US survived an attack that decimated a large portion of their fleet and they came back stronger within a year or two. Some little terri attack is the equivalence of a fly bothering an elephant.

 

[Dave]

Firstly Japan dont have the B, secondly and more importantly US is highly unlikely to give Japan the capability to extend their firepower beyond reasonable territorial limits,e.g on carriers.... for obvious historical reasons.

LOL

The fact the Japanese announced a purchase of the F-35B yesterday is what the conversation is about.

Maybe go back to post 530 (the post you replied to) and read?

And it’s not ww2 anymore, Japan is probably the closest US ally in the Far East these days...

 

[ToxicBunny]

Firstly Japan dont have the B, secondly and more importantly US is highly unlikely to give Japan the capability to extend their firepower beyond reasonable territorial limits,e.g on carriers.... for obvious historical reasons.

Why would the US not sell them?

Its not like Japan is a threat to the US anymore, they're very close allies.

 

[supersunbird]

Why would the US not sell them?

Its not like Japan is a threat to the US anymore, they're very close allies.

And China is now the danger...

 

[Dave]

And China is now the danger...

China is actually referenced in the article as one of the reasons Japan is buying the F-35B.

According to the NNN report, the Japanese government decision to introduce the F-35B is related to China strengthening its expansion into the ocean. Japan aims to strengthen the defense capabilities of the Southwestern islands including the Senkaku Islands.