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CirclingTheSun
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I upgraded from XP to Ubuntu about 10 months ago and I'll never go back! Open Source FTW!
DarthCat
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Linux = 
Like with everything - you pay for what you get.
Linux is such a mission to get things working with it (alright it depends on the distro, but Microsoft products are still much easier). Who are we kidding? Computers should be easy so that more time can be spent on being productive than sitting and trying to get things working.
My work uses like 90% Linux machines. My desktop machine even runs Linux and Windows is much more stable! I've got experience of both world and I still think that Microsoft's technologies are much better than the open source market. Maybe one day the open source community will get up to standard with easy to use, productive and effective solutions.
Can you compare OpenOffice to Microsoft Office 2007 or Corel WordPerfect Suite?
I must say that MySQL is quite up to standard. I'll use Microsoft ASP.NET any day instead of PHP.
Linux is such a mission to get things working with it (alright it depends on the distro, but Microsoft products are still much easier). Who are we kidding? Computers should be easy so that more time can be spent on being productive than sitting and trying to get things working.
My work uses like 90% Linux machines. My desktop machine even runs Linux and Windows is much more stable! I've got experience of both world and I still think that Microsoft's technologies are much better than the open source market. Maybe one day the open source community will get up to standard with easy to use, productive and effective solutions.
Can you compare OpenOffice to Microsoft Office 2007 or Corel WordPerfect Suite?
I must say that MySQL is quite up to standard. I'll use Microsoft ASP.NET any day instead of PHP.
AK65
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Apart from Mark Shuttleworth being one of my tech heroes, Ubuntu is really cool. No issues on my side...package manager rocks....it's stable and updated every six months......
Linux ftw!
Something that really hurt me about using proprietary software: vendor lock in. I had a daw (digital audio workstation) that ran protools on protools hardware. It had to run on windows or mac. You started buying plug-ins for the protools rtas system. They would not work on any other system. I had to pay for 'upgrades' every six months - Protools upgrades, plug-in upgrades ......Stop paying for upgrades - eventually your version is 'no longer supported'. You don't really get anything really, because what you produce doesn't change.....Can one really tell that the quality of a document is worth a few thousand rand Office 'upgrade'? It prints exactly the same. No, I for one am tired of being milked like a cash cow.
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NetSpike;1493749Who are we kidding? Computers should be easy so ......................[/QUOTE said:Yes sure, not only easy but also cheap. M$ is prohibitively exspensive. If you pay for what you use or need with M$ you should cut of 85% of the M$ price.
Take the time and make the effort and get Linux
Microsoft Office 2007 documents look much more professional than OpenOffice documents. Yesterday my open source colleagues couldn't perform calculations and sorting with OpenOffice's spreadsheet. Who came to the rescue? Me and my faithful Microsoft Excel. Again: Productivity and ease of use.
If you require professional documents for your business, you'll spend the extra cash. Business rule: money makes money.
I am so sick of people always saying "Windows just works".
It doesn't!
A fresh installation of Windows XP almost always requires sound drivers, graphics drivers, mobo drivers to be installed.
With Ubuntu, most of that works out of the box.
Windows doesn't just work. I've had countless of sleepless nights battling with driver issues. Everytime someone says "but Windows is so easy to install", I want to stab them in the eye with a spoon.
It doesn't!
A fresh installation of Windows XP almost always requires sound drivers, graphics drivers, mobo drivers to be installed.
With Ubuntu, most of that works out of the box.
Windows doesn't just work. I've had countless of sleepless nights battling with driver issues. Everytime someone says "but Windows is so easy to install", I want to stab them in the eye with a spoon.
Gee, I wonder if you're biased?
AK65
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I have used both and don't see any difference. I am a power user, so I drive the applications hard. You can have my crappy Microsoft Office licence for free. What a waste of my hard earned money. I think your open source colleagues need to know how to use their product. Just because they are unable to get Open Office spreadsheet to do trivial things like sort and calculate (I mean what else is a spreadsheet supposed to do?) doesn't mean Open Office can't perform the functions.
I think you need to open your mind. You can save a fortune by using open source. And it is NOT of inferior quality either.
Business rule: spent money is money spent, gone, finished, not in your bank account anymore
I think you need to open your mind. You can save a fortune by using open source. And it is NOT of inferior quality either.
Business rule: spent money is money spent, gone, finished, not in your bank account anymore
AK65
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Maybe also feeling underqualified wrt open source?
Well I work at a web hosting company that specialise in Open Source. Everything here is open source.
Me being a big fan of Microsoft products because it does the job better (at the moment) than open source solutions impressed everyone (even the Managing Director) with a document that would be impossible to create in OpenOffice, just because I used Microsoft Office.
And I quote from an email that was sent to my colleagues from the Managing Director:
"Without having reviewed the full document, the format Edward has applied sets an impressive new standard for readability. As a new entrant into the company I want to congratulate you, Edward. I hope that this standard will be adopted by default throughout going forward."
Me being a big fan of Microsoft products because it does the job better (at the moment) than open source solutions impressed everyone (even the Managing Director) with a document that would be impossible to create in OpenOffice, just because I used Microsoft Office.
And I quote from an email that was sent to my colleagues from the Managing Director:
"Without having reviewed the full document, the format Edward has applied sets an impressive new standard for readability. As a new entrant into the company I want to congratulate you, Edward. I hope that this standard will be adopted by default throughout going forward."
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SlinkyMike
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quick off topic Q:
what software do you use now on Linux?
I have been using Cubase SX 3 on Win for a while and haven't as yet found anything for Linux.
eltherza
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ROTFL, good observation.
Linux is much better than windows. My laptop runs ubuntu, never go back to windows on it. My PC runs windows for games and netbeans (my laptop isnt lacking in the memory for netbeans).
I agree. Open Office is much better than MS Office in my opinion, does what I need and it's free.
AK65
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Agree to disagree.
I use both Open Office and Microsoft Office. To me it's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. I just find Microsoft, their software, their pushiness and their business model like cod liver oil being forced down my throat. In my (defunct) business, proprietary software killed profits. Open source would have been more work, but there was a lot of tweaking and fiddling to get the systems to work under Windows anyway. It wasn't easy at all.
I cannot agree that Microsoft just works. Out of the box Ubuntu has all the apps necessary already installed. Microsoft bundles things free only when it wants to kill a competitor, otherwise the bundled stuff (like Outlook express) sucks...
I use both Open Office and Microsoft Office. To me it's 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. I just find Microsoft, their software, their pushiness and their business model like cod liver oil being forced down my throat. In my (defunct) business, proprietary software killed profits. Open source would have been more work, but there was a lot of tweaking and fiddling to get the systems to work under Windows anyway. It wasn't easy at all.
I cannot agree that Microsoft just works. Out of the box Ubuntu has all the apps necessary already installed. Microsoft bundles things free only when it wants to kill a competitor, otherwise the bundled stuff (like Outlook express) sucks...
I know my way around OpenOffice (for example) very well... It just can't do what Microsoft Office 2007 can do.
I'm reaching success with the right tools for the job because I know what works and what doesn't.
This is a new job yes, but I've been in IT for many years.
I'm reaching success with the right tools for the job because I know what works and what doesn't.
This is a new job yes, but I've been in IT for many years.
At the end of the day, you are correct: Use the best tool for the job. I'm currently an MS SQL Server 2005 DBA and I must say, it's not such a bad product. It's pretty stable and does what it's supposed to do. But then again, so does the OSS alternatives, like MySQL and PostgreSQL.