The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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supersunbird said:
Some kind of roadblock at Rigel onramp N1 south. SAPS often pull people over there but this was much bigger than any before. Couldn't really see who was doing the roadblock (metro, NTP or SAPS?) since I was going 120 in the fast lane.
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There was some spokesperson from the RTMC on the radio the other day and he was saying there were going to be plenty of roadblocks over the holiday season for license and vehicle inspection
 
Called call centre to report a LDV broken down on the N1 north just after olifantsfontein in a hazardous location yesterday after 6pm, call centre couldn't help me, wanted to give me some other number, I'm driving idiots, I cant take down other numbers...
 
supersunbird said:
Called call centre to report a LDV broken down on the N1 north just after olifantsfontein in a hazardous location yesterday after 6pm, call centre couldn't help me, wanted to give me some other number, I'm driving idiots, I cant take down other numbers...
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yeah and so much for all the extra benefits we were supposed to get with the camera systems
 
OUTA have done physical counts of cars with and without eTags and have proven only 15% are tagged. Why has SANRAL not shown us THEIR figures of tagged vs tag free cars on the freeway? This information should be available to them at the click of a mouse - after all, the gantries do count ALL cars.

Why do they keep presenting us with sales figures and not actual usage figures? It's pretty obvious they are including tags that have been shipped to major retailers in their count, NOT sales to the public. This is misleading information from SANRAL once again.

We challenge SANRAL to prove OUTA's research wrong. Show us your actual, independently audited, on-highway usage figures.
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Flanders said:
This saddens and annoys me immensely. What a bunch of cowards.
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they're not necessarily registering.

i'm embarrassed to admit i went there to pay my R20 as a casual user. they're so inefficient that even with a few customers in the shop the queue grows and grows.
 
http://www.fin24.com/Economy/E-toll-charges-invalid-JPSA-20131218

Johannesburg - Motorists might be able to claim e-tolls refund because a Government Gazette notice about the charges indicates conflicting amounts, the Justice Project SA (JPSA) said on Wednesday.
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Dembovsky reportedly told the newspaper that the emails demanding payment did not have an invoice attached, and thus apparently had no legal validity.
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Sanral spokesperson Vusi Mona reportedly told The Star that Sanral was obtaining information for invoices from eNatis, the national administration traffic information system, and from a "database legally obtained from third parties".
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How is it legal? I did not give them my information I did not give permission for my information to be shared.?
 
phoneJunky said:
Just phoned in now to ask how I can pay my unregistered account when I am not in Gauteng and they said they couldn't help me. Their system is not working, and you can only pay at e-toll store.

Everyone should just phone in and get a reference number and say they want to pay, but there was no option for them to do it. That should probably have weight in court won't it?
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This must be for your trip out of Gauteng? [I know you said you had already paid the previous extortion money]

I can easily see SANRAL's toordoktor saying that you should have given them your bank details so they can debit on your behalf.

When you get back, be sure to pay SANRAL in as much cash as is allowed by law, and only the amount that you were supposed to pay.
 
ic said:
This must be for your trip out of Gauteng? [I know you said you had already paid the previous extortion money]

I can easily see SANRAL's toordoktor saying that you should have given them your bank details so they can debit on your behalf.

When you get back, be sure to pay SANRAL in as much cash as is allowed by law, and only the amount that you were supposed to pay.
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Yes, it was for my trip out of Gauteng. I have a reference number for when I wanted to pay and they couldn't assist. I am going to try to force them to only pay the 7 day tariff
 
E-toll charges invalid: JPSA

Motorists might be able to claim e-tolls refund because a Government Gazette notice about the charges indicates conflicting amounts, the Justice Project SA (JPSA) said on Wednesday.

The differences were in the English and Afrikaans versions of the e-toll tariff notices published in the Government Gazette, said JPSA national chairman Howard Dembovsky.

Both versions were signed by the transport department's acting director general on November 19 and "therefore have equal, but conflicting weight," said Dembovsky.

"Effectively, the tariffs applicable to registered 'alternative users' differ in the English and Afrikaans versions, and this introduces severe interpretation issues," Dembovsky said.

JPSA called on the department to immediately repeal the offending Tariff Gazette.

It asked that the department instruct the SA National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) to stop levying and collecting e-tolls until the matter was corrected, Dembovsky said.

The Star newspaper reported that, according to Dembovsky, users of the paymyfines website were receiving e-toll bills by e-mail even though they were not registered e-tag users, or had not given their e-mail address to Sanral.

Dembovsky reportedly alleged that the website appeared to break its own privacy policy as it promises not to disclose personal information without consent.

The newspaper reported that its own investigation had found that the company running the paymyfines website and the website etcrecovery.co.za, which was sending the e-mails demanding e-toll money, were part of the same company -- TMT Services (Pty) Ltd.

A South African company, TMT was part of the Austrian company Kapsch TrafficCom, which runs the e-toll project.

Dembovsky reportedly told the newspaper that the e-mails demanding payment did not have an invoice attached, and thus apparently had no legal validity.

Sanral spokesman Vusi Mona reportedly told The Star that Sanral was obtaining information for invoices from eNatis, the national administration traffic information system, and from a "database legally obtained from third parties".

The Star also reported that the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) had again claimed that Sanral sales figures were inflated, this time based on Outa research.

According to the newspaper, Outa conducted its own physical e-tag counts on nearly 8000 cars on and off the freeway and found only about 15 percent of them had an e-tag.

"Even if one pushed the e-tag penetration to 20 percent, the number of e-tags in use will be no more than 450,000, which is around half the number of tag sales recently espoused by Sanral," Outa was quoted as saying.

Last week, Sanral said nearly 900,000 e-tags had been issued.


Source : Sapa /ml/cls
Date : 18 Dec 2013 08:32
 
phoneJunky said:
...I am going to try to force them to only pay the 7 day tariff
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Hmmm well you are the one who is paying, you have the power to decide how much you are going to pay and that should be no more than the 7 day tariff even if they demand more than that. Beware of POS transactions since you don't know how much the person has entered until after you have entered your PIN and the slip is printed.

Be sure to request an itemised tax invoice and query each gantry charge right then and there before you drown SANRAL in loads of coins and a few R10 notes [AFAIK the denominations are somewhere in this thread and comes to just over R50 in total]. Repeat if necessary until you have reached what you should have paid for the 7 day period.
 
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