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The idea is to do just that or to remove numberplates altogether for the duration of the protest action
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The idea is to do just that or to remove numberplates altogether for the duration of the protest action
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Mountain Man
Okay, so JPSA and OUTA have both advised against this as we would be falling foul of the law
So they are going to climb on the highway with their number plates on and get billed for their protest?
Unless, they are planning not to pay their invoice.
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Mountain Man
Definitely not
When partaking in a protest you are exempt from tollfees. That's why I said we should be in perma-protest.
koeksGHT
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Back to the invoices.
SO received her first paper to start a fire with. Interesting part, it only contains January's transgressions Nada, nothing about early December's driving. Anyone else having the same 'problem' I have a suspicion that the systems may have been down in middle December.
SO received her first paper to start a fire with. Interesting part, it only contains January's transgressions Nada, nothing about early December's driving. Anyone else having the same 'problem' I have a suspicion that the systems may have been down in middle December.
TO: ALL NEWS, TRANSPORT & CRIME EDITORS
DATE: 2014/01/26
SUBJECT: SANRAL E-TOLLS TERMS & CONDITIONS DON’T COMPLY WITH CPA - NCC
On Friday 24 January 2014, the National Consumer Commission’s Head of Advocacy, Education and Awareness, Ms Phumeze Mlungu stated that “SANRAL’s e-tolls terms and conditions are 90% compliant with the Consumer Protection Act” and that “legislative amendments will be required to bring them in line with the Act”.
These statements were made on public television on SABC1 on the “Yilungelo Lakho/It's your right” current affairs programme of the public broadcaster. She also stated that the National Consumer Commission has received two complaints and four enquires with respect to e-tolling since its launch on 3 December 2013.
Anything that is “90% compliant” is actually NON-COMPLIANT and therefore violates the provisions of the Act. There is a pertinent saying in law which holds “let the buyer beware” and anyone who assents to terms and conditions that violate their rights under the Consumer Protection Act is looking to have their rights violated with their own consent.
For the National Consumer Commission to then state that “legislative amendments will be required to bring SANRAL’s terms and conditions in line with the Act” is an outright admission of collusion between the two State agencies and is furthermore an admission that the National Consumer Commission is not acting in the interests of consumers.
Since Ms Mlungu did not specify which 10% of the SANRAL e-tolling terms and conditions violate the Consumer Protection Act, it is not possible for JPSA to make comment on this beyond saying that both SANRAL and the Department of Trade and Industry’s National Consumer Commission have had more than sufficient time to make certain that SANRAL’s e-tolling terms and conditions comply with the Act, prior to the launch of e-tolling on 3 December 2013.
Furthermore, if the National Consumer Commission is clearly prepared to turn a blind eye to the violation of its own legislation and thereby fail in its supposed mandate of protecting consumer rights, it is hardly surprising that so few people have complained to them.
SANRAL CEO, Nazir Alli has become very fond of pointing his finger at the public and those who oppose e-tolling and accusing them of having “no respect for democracy and the rule of law”, yet he seems to be of the opinion that it is okay for his organisation to openly and flagrantly break the law.
Notwithstanding the apparent violation of the Consumer Protection Act, SANRAL has also recently taken it upon itself to reduce the terms of payment whereupon a 60% discount applies on invoices paid within 30 days to terms of 17 days and less. The period of validity for discounts is legislated in the e-tolls tariff gazette of 19 November 2013.
Both, the National Consumer Commission and SANRAL have made an utter mockery of the laws of South Africa by their collusion and preparedness to violate the very laws they expect others to abide by.
Justice Project South Africa has recently been encouraging members of the public to lodge their complaints over e-tolling with the State controlled National Consumer Commission and we now see the “error of our ways”. We simply cannot with good conscience continue to refer people to a colluding department like the National Consumer Commission.
Best Regards,
Howard Dembovsky
National Chairman - Justice Project South Africa (NPC)
Association Not For Gain | Incorporated as a non-profit company under the Companies Act, 2008 | Registration Number 2010/019972/08
DATE: 2014/01/26
SUBJECT: SANRAL E-TOLLS TERMS & CONDITIONS DON’T COMPLY WITH CPA - NCC
On Friday 24 January 2014, the National Consumer Commission’s Head of Advocacy, Education and Awareness, Ms Phumeze Mlungu stated that “SANRAL’s e-tolls terms and conditions are 90% compliant with the Consumer Protection Act” and that “legislative amendments will be required to bring them in line with the Act”.
These statements were made on public television on SABC1 on the “Yilungelo Lakho/It's your right” current affairs programme of the public broadcaster. She also stated that the National Consumer Commission has received two complaints and four enquires with respect to e-tolling since its launch on 3 December 2013.
Anything that is “90% compliant” is actually NON-COMPLIANT and therefore violates the provisions of the Act. There is a pertinent saying in law which holds “let the buyer beware” and anyone who assents to terms and conditions that violate their rights under the Consumer Protection Act is looking to have their rights violated with their own consent.
For the National Consumer Commission to then state that “legislative amendments will be required to bring SANRAL’s terms and conditions in line with the Act” is an outright admission of collusion between the two State agencies and is furthermore an admission that the National Consumer Commission is not acting in the interests of consumers.
Since Ms Mlungu did not specify which 10% of the SANRAL e-tolling terms and conditions violate the Consumer Protection Act, it is not possible for JPSA to make comment on this beyond saying that both SANRAL and the Department of Trade and Industry’s National Consumer Commission have had more than sufficient time to make certain that SANRAL’s e-tolling terms and conditions comply with the Act, prior to the launch of e-tolling on 3 December 2013.
Furthermore, if the National Consumer Commission is clearly prepared to turn a blind eye to the violation of its own legislation and thereby fail in its supposed mandate of protecting consumer rights, it is hardly surprising that so few people have complained to them.
SANRAL CEO, Nazir Alli has become very fond of pointing his finger at the public and those who oppose e-tolling and accusing them of having “no respect for democracy and the rule of law”, yet he seems to be of the opinion that it is okay for his organisation to openly and flagrantly break the law.
Notwithstanding the apparent violation of the Consumer Protection Act, SANRAL has also recently taken it upon itself to reduce the terms of payment whereupon a 60% discount applies on invoices paid within 30 days to terms of 17 days and less. The period of validity for discounts is legislated in the e-tolls tariff gazette of 19 November 2013.
Both, the National Consumer Commission and SANRAL have made an utter mockery of the laws of South Africa by their collusion and preparedness to violate the very laws they expect others to abide by.
Justice Project South Africa has recently been encouraging members of the public to lodge their complaints over e-tolling with the State controlled National Consumer Commission and we now see the “error of our ways”. We simply cannot with good conscience continue to refer people to a colluding department like the National Consumer Commission.
Best Regards,
Howard Dembovsky
National Chairman - Justice Project South Africa (NPC)
Association Not For Gain | Incorporated as a non-profit company under the Companies Act, 2008 | Registration Number 2010/019972/08
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Mountain Man
Howard announced yesterday that he is taking steps to ensure that he is the first person to be prosecuted for failure to pay E-Tolls and his lawyers are acting accordingly
The way Vusi Mona and Rihkotso Tiyani are attacking JPSA and Howard on Twitter today, I suspect there is a new PR campaign from SANRAL and Govt to discredit them.
And there is now calls for a case to be made again Nazir for perjury as he stated the etolls are a go during the court hearings, but now suddenly apologising that the databases have 'let them down' So, they weren't ready.
While the NCC states that 10% of the T&Cs of SANRAL isn't complying to the CPA. (Not stating which ones and also stated that it more positive that 90% of the T&Cs are CPA complaint)
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There has been another threat on South African National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) staff at its headquarters in Samrand, this time an alleged bomb scare.
Earlier this week the building had to be evacuated twice after envelopes containing a suspicious white powder were found on the premises.
Sanral's CEO Nazir Alli has since slammed these threats, saying it’s a threat on people's lives not on the multi billion rand project.
The street leading to Sanral’s head office in Samrand has once again been cordoned off.
Two Gauteng traffic police officers have told EYEWITNESS NEWS that police are searching the offices.
Several vehicles are leaving the area while a group of workers has gathered outside the restricted points.
This is the third time Sanral staff had to evacuate the building.
http://ewn.co.za/2014/01/26/Bomb-threat-at-Sanral-headquarters
Earlier this week the building had to be evacuated twice after envelopes containing a suspicious white powder were found on the premises.
Sanral's CEO Nazir Alli has since slammed these threats, saying it’s a threat on people's lives not on the multi billion rand project.
The street leading to Sanral’s head office in Samrand has once again been cordoned off.
Two Gauteng traffic police officers have told EYEWITNESS NEWS that police are searching the offices.
Several vehicles are leaving the area while a group of workers has gathered outside the restricted points.
This is the third time Sanral staff had to evacuate the building.
http://ewn.co.za/2014/01/26/Bomb-threat-at-Sanral-headquarters
AfricanTech
Honorary Master
can you repost here?
I don't agree with resorting to scare tactics like posting powder to SCAMRAL or calling in a bomb threat, but I would get a lot of personal satisfaction out of burning etrolling invoices (leaving a corner with the logo or some text not burnt) and doing a return to sender with the ashes in the same envelope.
I don't know if etrolling invoice ashes would be considered to be a "bio-attack", so maybe the better option is just to redact your name and address on the envelope and do a return to sender, that should cause SCAMRAL's incoming mail room to flood with its own unwanted letters.
I don't know if etrolling invoice ashes would be considered to be a "bio-attack", so maybe the better option is just to redact your name and address on the envelope and do a return to sender, that should cause SCAMRAL's incoming mail room to flood with its own unwanted letters.
Not really sure what you want, so here a few tweets from today (in no specific order):
@JPSA said:
@Tiyani said:
@JPSA said:
Don't read too much into the quotes posted, you'll have to go to twitter to follow the full thread and understand the context.
Old news though, but I am sure DJ has done them over extensively. Looking at Kapsh's finances, they are burning more cash than they are bringing in. They are BANKING on the GFIP project to take them out the k@k
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/KTCG:AV
http://www.bloomberg.com/quote/KTCG:AV
AfricanTech
Honorary Master
Thanks anyway
Jola
Honorary Master
Companies don't print faxes any more, they come in via computer, so does not help.
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