The Gauteng E-tolling Thread

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Ramphele said one should look at how roads had been upgraded in the past - by means of a fuel levy.

“But now the fuel levy has gone into the general fiscus. Actually, South Africa’s infrastructure in general has been neglected,” she said.
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Has the fuel levy ever come anywhere near to paying for roads. Has it ever gone anywhere else but the general fiscus...serious question that is at the core of the issue.
Where in the world does it pay for roads or go into special fund.

Over here one of the arguments that motorists have against cyclists rights (much more rights than in SA btw), is that they (the motorists) pay road taxes. It is a false premise because they only pay a bit of what they use, most of road funding comes from every tax payer whether they have a bicycle or a scooter.

Bikers Against e-Tolls are having a protest run on Saturday 25 Jan. We motorists are welcome to join.
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I think you guys need some help from the 'struggle'...there must be some guys that are longing to lead a good old 'protest for rights'.

Do some rehearsals....Lets start with:

Viva Viva...A Luta Continua...We Shall Overcome.

"What do we want?....Free Roads...When do we want it?...Now
What do we want?...No e-Tolls...When do we want it?...Now"
[Continue this ad infinitum until police arrive]

[The following to the tune of We don't need no education]

"We don't need no bloody tolls...scammm ral...scammm ral
No cameras taking any photos..scammm ral...scammm ral
All we want are free roads... scammm ral...scammm ral
Who cares about the bloody poverty..scammm ral...scammm ral

Hey Zuma...leave our roads alone"

Wear good raincoats, wetsuits even better in case the Casper comes with the water cannon. Invest in some good masks for the tear gas. Shout loud before the police come and then drift to back and get ready to run.

We shall overcome...there will be freedom and education for all one day

A Luta Continua
 
OzzieCapie said:
Has the fuel levy ever come anywhere near to paying for roads. Has it ever gone anywhere else but the general fiscus...serious question that is at the core of the issue.

Where in the world does it pay for roads or go into special fund.
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The Road Accident Fund's income from the fuel levy is ring-fenced. Many countries ring-fence income for certain projects, like oil revenues are often ring-fenced for infrastructure projects related to the industry. Transnet pipelines also ring-fences certain income streams for this.
 
There really is no point in responding to the lesser spotted FUDdy duddy, it's not interested in opposing viewpoints, just ignore it and it will eventually give up and go away.
 
Sanral misleads with E-toll radio ads: ASA

http://mybroadband.co.za/news/government/94624-sanral-misleads-with-e-toll-radio-ads-asa.html
The Advertising Standards Authority of South Africa (ASA) has found that claims made in an E-toll radio commercial are speculative and based on unstated assumptions.

It was considering a consumer complaint about the radio advertisement under the section of the Code of Advertising Practice which deals with misleading claims.

According to the ASA ruling, the advert in question features two men having a conversation about toll fees.

At one point a character called Stanley tells his friend, “Because I can get to and from pick-ups and drop-offs quicker with the new freeways, I could take on more customers and make 20% more per month
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Good.
 
the more cr@p Sanral instigates, the stronger my will to ignore everything until I get a summons becomes
 
OzzieCapie said:
Has the fuel levy ever come anywhere near to paying for roads. Has it ever gone anywhere else but the general fiscus...serious question that is at the core of the issue.
Where in the world does it pay for roads or go into special fund.

Over here one of the arguments that motorists have against cyclists rights (much more rights than in SA btw), is that they (the motorists) pay road taxes. It is a false premise because they only pay a bit of what they use, most of road funding comes from every tax payer whether they have a bicycle or a scooter.



I think you guys need some help from the 'struggle'...there must be some guys that are longing to lead a good old 'protest for rights'.

Do some rehearsals....Lets start with:

Viva Viva...A Luta Continua...We Shall Overcome.

"What do we want?....Free Roads...When do we want it?...Now
What do we want?...No e-Tolls...When do we want it?...Now"
[Continue this ad infinitum until police arrive]

[The following to the tune of We don't need no education]

"We don't need no bloody tolls...scammm ral...scammm ral
No cameras taking any photos..scammm ral...scammm ral
All we want are free roads... scammm ral...scammm ral
Who cares about the bloody poverty..scammm ral...scammm ral

Hey Zuma...leave our roads alone"

Wear good raincoats, wetsuits even better in case the Casper comes with the water cannon. Invest in some good masks for the tear gas. Shout loud before the police come and then drift to back and get ready to run.

We shall overcome...there will be freedom and education for all one day

A Luta Continua
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Poke fun all you like - the reason that Oz is over regulated (that said, I like their road laws around speeding, etc) is because they are allowed to get away with it.

We're fortunate here that as part of our liberation from Apartheid some of our best legal minds were at the forefront of drafting the Constitution.
 
Please RBP [for move], any SANRAL etolling threads that need to be moved to this new E-tolls forum, with the exception of B&IT News and N&CA threads about specific SANRAL or etolling news articles.
 
OzzieCapie said:
Has the fuel levy ever come anywhere near to paying for roads. Has it ever gone anywhere else but the general fiscus...serious question that is at the core of the issue.
Where in the world does it pay for roads or go into special fund.

Over here one of the arguments that motorists have against cyclists rights (much more rights than in SA btw), is that they (the motorists) pay road taxes. It is a false premise because they only pay a bit of what they use, most of road funding comes from every tax payer whether they have a bicycle or a scooter.



I think you guys need some help from the 'struggle'...there must be some guys that are longing to lead a good old 'protest for rights'.

Do some rehearsals....Lets start with:

Viva Viva...A Luta Continua...We Shall Overcome.

"What do we want?....Free Roads...When do we want it?...Now
What do we want?...No e-Tolls...When do we want it?...Now"
[Continue this ad infinitum until police arrive]

[The following to the tune of We don't need no education]

"We don't need no bloody tolls...scammm ral...scammm ral
No cameras taking any photos..scammm ral...scammm ral
All we want are free roads... scammm ral...scammm ral
Who cares about the bloody poverty..scammm ral...scammm ral

Hey Zuma...leave our roads alone"

Wear good raincoats, wetsuits even better in case the Casper comes with the water cannon. Invest in some good masks for the tear gas. Shout loud before the police come and then drift to back and get ready to run.

We shall overcome...there will be freedom and education for all one day

A Luta Continua
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You ask questions that we already answered you. Watch this. Answers all your questions. But yes, it was the ANC that moved the fuel levy to the fiscus. Before it wasn't.

Anyway watch this before you make yourself look more stupid:

[video=youtube_share;FWafWjfFNnE]http://youtu.be/FWafWjfFNnE[/video]
 
AfricanTech said:
Poke fun all you like - the reason that Oz is over regulated (that said, I like their road laws around speeding, etc) is because they are allowed to get away with it.

We're fortunate here that as part of our liberation from Apartheid some of our best legal minds were at the forefront of drafting the Constitution.
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What are you on about? In what way are we fortunate?
 
Wyzak said:
What are you on about? In what way are we fortunate?
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The constitution provides us with a measure of protection that other countries populations don't have - it's there as a last resort if the government tries to remove civil liberties that are written into it.

Not many countries have a such a thing.
 
AfricanTech said:
The constitution provides us with a measure of protection that other countries populations don't have - it's there as a last resort if the government tries to remove civil liberties that are written into it.

Not many countries have a such a thing.
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Yes, but the ANC have been riding roughshod over it, and they have been loading the CC !
 
Chevron said:
You ask questions that we already answered you. Watch this. Answers all your questions. But yes, it was the ANC that moved the fuel levy to the fiscus. Before it wasn't.
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actually the NATs stole the roads intended fuel levy to pay for the war - the ANC simply left it as such
 
Chevron said:
You're thinking of the road accident fund.
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The Fuel Levy is a tax the government applies to the sale of petrol, which today goes into the national treasury. The fuel levy was initially introduced in the 1970’s to support road maintenance and construction. Over time, the ring-fencing of the fuel levy was abolished to allow this lucrative source of funding to be channeled to other government needs, initially in the apartheid years to fund an unjust war and pressures of sanctions, while later in our new democracy the fuel levy goes into the pot to fund the many other socio-economic issues our government has to deal with. - See more at: http://www.outa.co.za/site/faq/#sthash.zppNTN5U.dpuf

http://www.outa.co.za/site/faq/
 
Chevron said:
You're thinking of the road accident fund.
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and

The primary source of income for the RAF compensation scheme is a levy raised on fuel and diesel sold. The levy is expressed as a rate per liter of fuel sold and forms part of the general fuel tax regulated by government. The RAF is not involved in the collection of its fuel levy. The South African Revenue Service (“SARS”) administers the collection of the fuel levy and pays it to the RAF, in accordance with provisions of the Customs and Excise Act, 1964 (Act No. 91 of 1964) and the RAF Act.
http://www.raf.co.za/about-us/pages/fuel-levy.aspx
 
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